Plagues, Popes & Pandemonium! OPEN DEBATE! Geopolitics, Conspiracy, Theology, Film! 2026-10-05 17:50

8:40Jay DyerMormon space was Let's

10:48Jay DyerSpace.

11:05Jay DyerYeah, baby. Last song, and then we start. Austic, bro.

11:19Jay DyerAustic, bro. I'm I'm I'm your around. I am you at all. Okay. We have basically Trump and geopolitics. Okay. So we'll basically have geopolitics. And this is a sort of Trump It... This is a a sort of... So, basically,

11:57Jay Dyernauseated. Jesus, basically an Austrian. Okay? We have in

12:30Jay Dyerour gnosticism. Okay? Free steer.

12:35Jay DyerJesus y is nasty. Okay? And basically, Trullo. Trullo is also a part of chaos. He he is agent of chaos like, gnostic demigod, the higher demigod, the Jesus says, explain this gnostic demigod. Oh, yes. That's my mid... I was always destined for this because I'm so

13:03Jay Dyergnostic, bro. I was Yeah. What's up? Welcome, everybody. Another open forum. Lot of news today. We're gonna take calls. We're gonna do it alls.

13:36Jay DyerLet's go to our first caller before we kick it off, getting into popes, plagues, and pandemonium. The news is hyped today. What's, on your mind? Are

13:48Jay DyerArian?

13:53Jay DyerI

13:54Jay DyerWhat's on your mind?

13:56ArianaThank you for thank you for letting me up. It's Ariana, by the way.

14:01Jay DyerI know I was being silly. I always answer

14:03Arianawith

14:04Jay Dyersaying the names silly.

14:06ArianaOkay. Hey. You know, I used to believe when I

14:10Jay Dyerwas

14:10Arianato you and other philosophers making this point,

14:14Arianathat objective morality has agency. Right? And then when you look at the agency where you have objective you know, like, a moral code. And from that moral code, you have your dos and your don'ts. And this was the strongest... One of the strongest principles for me to believe in theism. But then

14:42ArianaI thought by myself, objective morality is also object or et... Ethicalism is

14:49Jay Dyeralso Yeah. I know.

14:50Jay DyerObjective

14:50Jay DyerYou've called in before. We've... You were a Calvinist two years ago, so you're an atheist now. I don't understand what you're saying.

14:59ArianaSorry?

15:00Jay DyerYou need a husband. Why are you worrying about all this stuff? Find a husband. You're worried about... This philosophy is not for you. Just go find a husband. Stop worrying about metaphysics and philosophy. It's not for you. Ancient Dolphin, what's up?

15:19Jay DyerHi. Can you hear me?

15:21Jay DyerMhmm.

15:22Jay DyerI'm... I would consider myself a philosophical theist so I believe that philosophical arguments, nearly prove God's but I'm trying to improve my

15:35Fr. Ananiasphilosophy literacy. And so I had a question about the problem of evil.

15:39Jay DyerYou need some You need some talk... Some shock, dude. Shock. You need some male vitality That's your main problem. It's not philosophy and academics. Up your testosterone, dude. That's the problem. These soy philosophy, man, dude, I can hear the lisp. That's the problem in your life. The lisp in your talk. It's not ideological nerd shit, dude. That's the problem. Alright. Well, we're already off to an amazing start.

16:04Jay DyerSo

16:07Jay Dyerthat girl that's called in, she's used to be in the Discord. She's called in many times. So I know what we're doing here. Now, Mike Winger is mad because I've asked him to debate many times. He says no. Other people are mad because I've asked him to debate many times and they won't do it. Protestants have this idea that

16:25Jay Dyeryou don't really have to do a debate anymore. You can just kind of virtue signal, and then that's all that's needed. So for the last ten years of online debating, I've seen this exact same cycle. Opponents make videos calling me out or they talk trash or they make a post calling me out. I go to these people and I offer offer them various forms of debate. Were you gonna say something?

16:48Jay DyerYeah.

16:48Jay DyerSo one of the

16:50Jay Dyerguys

16:53Fr. Ananiasgoing off on you, I wanted to

16:55Fr. AnaniasI wanna talk about that. I wanna talk to you guys about this. He's a gay... A gang... Gay... Gaelicum? Gay gay... Gay... Gay... Gay... A priest.

17:06Jay DyerYeah. You're talking about Andrew Harrah who used to send me weird messages on Discord about masturbation updates, just weird stuff, and I quit talking to him. He's a he's a weird... And he and he apostatized from Orthodox?

17:18Jay DyerWell, I I

17:19Fr. Ananiasdidn't even think about this until today because I was reviewing it He's from Saint Barnabas. He was a parishioner when I was attending that.

17:27Jay DyerYeah. He has orthodox background. I didn't know you knew him.

17:31Fr. AnaniasYeah. I mean, I did not personally, but I remember... Because, you know, I didn't know everybody at a personal level that attended the parish. But, yeah, back in 2012, 2013 when I was attending Saint Barbara's, like, he was a person of it. Now I don't remember. I'd have to ask somebody from there. Well, like, what caused him to apostatize. But I don't know if you remember that or but it's the same thing. It's, thank god

18:00Fr. AnaniasI'm not like you, Jay, and go online and tell people they're

18:04Jay Dyerwrong.

18:04Jay DyerIs that what you're telling me? He he makes YouTube

18:06Jay Dyervideo.

18:07Jay DyerHe does do that. He does Exactly. Makes YouTube videos about how bad orthodoxy is, his experiences in orthodoxy and how he found the true gospel and sole justification by faith alone. Just really cringe stuff. But he was he was cringe fifteen years ago messaging me on YouTube... I mean, on Facebook. So

18:27Fr. AnaniasNow I wanna know who are the people can we get a show of hands in the... On the x Who are the people that fall for the fake piety thank god I'm not like, other people online criticizing this? I'm online

18:40Jay Dyercriticizing. That fall for it are the people that are already kind of in that mindset of that's kinda why they're online as to, you know, sort of show off and Our buddy Dave, the... Who goes to our

18:53Fr. Ananiasconferences and stuff, you know him. He's, like, the same people that fall for Molinist area, Mike. Well said, Dave. Yeah. Exactly.

19:00Jay DyerSaid. Good way to put it.

19:04Jay DyerYeah.

19:05Jay DyerNot gonna spend too much time on this because this is... It's... I was... It's the same thing for ten years. Right? So I offer them various forms of debates. Number one, a guy with 10,000 followers who reads AI scripts admittedly. No. I'm not gonna give him a public formal debate. When I said he can have various forms of debate, what I mean is, and what I said to him explicitly was, you can come on a livestream chat, and you can have time responses, or we can have just open conversation debate. That's what I offered him. No. I don't owe that guy a public formal debate, nor do I owe anyone a public

19:37Jay Dyerformal debate, especially if they have a tiny channel. The funny thing is that what Mike Winger was calling out that everybody wants him to debate so that they can get on his platform. Nobody was even asking to go on Mike Winger's platform. Not me, not Alex, Cleave. Nobody was asking for that. It's silly. In fact, we already know that Mike Winger is not gonna debate anybody because he only tried to

19:58Fr. Ananiasdebate

19:58Jay Dyerone time and went terrible. So, no, we know he's not a debater and he's not gonna debate. But this is really all that they have left, and I've noticed, again, over many, many years of seeing this, when it gets to the point where they're just sort of whining about oh, you called somebody, you know, queer. You called somebody, gay. So we're righteous and we don't have to interact with you. It's just so lame, man. I don't... I like... I don't even to me, it's just another day. Like, was... This is the same dumb stuff. I've seen for ten years. And they

20:31Jay Dyeralways do the same thing. They whine and cry. They start all this stuff. All of these people start drama to get clicks, to get attention for their dead channel, with no viewers. They get attention because I offer them a debate, They play like they're a victim, and they don't have to interact with me because of abusive behavior. I mean, the guy says the word yikes. Right? Like, who talks like that? Well, people that are fake and gay. Right? So I called it out as gay behavior. And every normal dude just says, this is freaking gay, dude. What are you talking about? Why are you acting like this?

21:04Jay DyerYou guys all do the same thing. You all act the same way. And it's just really effeminate. Honestly, at the end the day, it's effeminate. So I call it gay... Faking gay behavior. Then there are victims again whining and playing less look at the public abuse that this man, does, but it doesn't work. Like, this is a decade of people doing this. It's cry bullying, attention seeking, passive aggressive cowardice. That's it. Now, of course, none of these guys will debate. Right? Gavin Orland won't debate. None of the protestants will. West Huff won't debate.

21:38Jay DyerJames White, all these protestants all lie and say that I turned down a debate. No. James White offered to debate on a topic totally different from what I've been offering him for many years. I talked about Trinity, divine simplicity, He wouldn't... He didn't... He won't... He would not do that. He said, I will debate you on

21:55Jay Dyericons if you are within driving distance of my RV.

22:00Jay DyerWhat? Like, the most boomer response

22:01Fr. Ananiasever.

22:02Jay DyerMoving on. Had a great night the other night. Shout out to our Orthodox community comedy friend, Catherine, the California refugee. You probably seen her on Twitter and Instagram. She set up a great dinner with a comedian who is pretty well known. He's a veteran. Been doing stand up for, like, forty years. Got a lot of, you know, really high profile shows. And specials, one hour specials, a clean comic. A guy named Jeff Allen. So if you're a Jeff Allen fan,

22:35Jay Dyerhe was he was a lot of fun. Very well crafted and timed stand up. It's not my style of stuff. We do obviously more ridiculous silly alt type comedy stuff. But I respect the game, and I respect that he has a whole hour routine that's completely clean. Lot of funny jokes. And, of course, he's open because he's boomer. His boomer routine is actually if you enjoy kind of

23:06Jay Dyerat a meta level boomer stuff. I was having a good time at enjoying, like, this is the archetype of a boomer stand up comedian's special. But we had a great time. He's a really funny person. We also got to meet his, opener, Joel Bezley, another good comedian. So they're in the sphere of sort of Christian adjacent stuff, but it's not like

23:32Jay Dyerit's not like an evangelical praise and worship band is music. They they do normal stand up, but they happen to be kinda conservative and

23:41Jay Dyerin in the Christian sphere. So it was a great dinner that we had with them.

23:47Jay DyerWanna say one more thing about, again, people act like any sort of invective is some sort of display of the fact that you're not a true Christian. I don't know where people get this. Other than that, it's a really just cheap way to try to one up people. But if you read the church fathers, you don't have to go very far to find pretty extreme versions of invective with some of the most well known famous saints and theologians of the church. I mean, Saint Athanasius, for example, would call the Arian's dogs, wolves, chameleons.

24:21Jay DyerRabbits, gnats, beetles, leeches, and swine. Those are strong terms. He really likes the animal world, I guess, for his invective, but

24:32Jay Dyerthey would consistently make fun of their opponents, basically calling them today's version of retards, effeminate, which is today's version of faking gay. Say, Jerome would make fun of his opponents based on their names. Since was a heretic and he would not go to vigils, he called him sleepy. Right? He talked about a two two legged asses. He was like a two legged ass. He's killed as many souls as he has seduced.

25:04Jay DyerHe's bloodthirsty.

25:06Fr. AnaniasRight?

25:07Jay DyerHe talks about him being

25:11Jay Dyerpossessed He's... Vomits filth from his heart. He's swine. Now these are just some samples. We've all seen what Saint John Chrysostom says about Judaism, for example. K? A lot of invective. Well, according to all of these people, these people are not Christians. These people are phonies, and they've displayed their true carnal... What was the stupid stuff that Protestants always say? Oh, they're in the flesh. These these guys are in the flesh. You're not spiritual, brother. You're living in the flesh.

25:46Jay DyerYeah. Whatever it is.

25:49Jay DyerLook.

25:50Jay DyerProtestantism is an atheism factory. So I don't care what Protestant... I... Like, it... I don't when a Protestant's talking, I'm tuning out. Guys, this spooky season, that means it's that time again. That means it's time to make a giant soy pumpkin. Go for it, dude. And, yes, we've already done a little bit, of a taste of what you're gonna get this year at Spooktober. On Jay's analysis, and that is we're gonna be covering serial killers and goopy goolies. That is movies with the theme of goopy ghoulies.

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31:38Jay DyerToday, I wanted to talk a little bit also about

31:42Jay Dyerwhat's going on in Rome as well as we got a new coup drop you guys. Are y'all excited about the new couf that just dropped? I'm excited. I have to take credit because my... Some of my musical talents I think, helped invoke this. You guys remember when we were in the midst of the coup, and it looked like the coup might be going away. In 2023. I was depressed. I was depressed for many reasons. I was falling in love with the coup. We we got to be pretty close.

32:13Jay DyerWe were all, quote, hashtag alone together. I was enjoying the celebrity videos, preaching morals to me about how I need to stay inside, be alone, It was a powerful time for me. It was also our biggest year financially.

32:32Jay DyerSo

32:33Jay DyerI'm just saying, everybody's gonna be back on the Internet,

32:36Jay Dyerand there's a new coup, that's a lot of BTC that I'm gonna be, downloading. I'm a download my BTC as the boomers say. How do you download the Bitcoins? Well, if we get another koof... Listen. We're doing well over here. So I'm gonna take credit because the new mosque... Not mosque, Siberian lab leak, they've... They they melt... Basically, it's the thing. Right? They thaw it out

33:02Jay Dyeran old woolly mammoth, and it had a AIDS virus inside of it. That's now loose, if you have a herd in Siberia. And Russia is starting to go on lockdown. I'm the one that actually invoked this with my song.

33:22Jay DyerCould we come back to me?

34:18Jay DyerHope you guys enjoyed that. That was my improvisational mid Kuf serenade as Kuf was beginning to leave the earth, and I felt like

34:29Jay Dyerhad so much unity. We were all alone together. And before the coup and after the coup, we had too much divideance. So I wanna overcome with unitativeness in America and we can do that through supporting Kufu electric boogaloo, as everybody's saying. COOF two electric boogaloo The new plague has escaped Siberian labs reportedly according to the the news.

34:58Jay DyerAnd unaliving researchers.

35:01Jay DyerThought for I thought for a second I said Ruslan begins quarantines. This is Russians. Ruzlan business church is already on lockdown. They're already full on... Fully on board. Hey, dog. You you need to get that new stabby. Yo. Yo. Get get yourself to... Yo. Come down to rhythm church. Yo. We got the rhythm church stabby. We got the modernas. We got the the phyzers. We got it all for y'all, dog. Just come on down to rhythm

35:27Jay Dyerchurch.

35:28Jay DyerAnd get your stabbies. It says Russians, not Ruslan's. Anyway, guys, thank you for the support. Feel free to super chat. Alright. Let's go over to the news because... By the way, if you've been watching for, like, the last... What is this? So Kuf ended 2023. So the last three years, post COUF, have you noticed that every few months, every six months, they float in the news a new potential coup? Hantavirus, Ebola, and now it's

36:02Jay DyerSiberian Russian virus.

36:04Jay DyerRight?

36:05Jay DyerAnd this, I also think, is very sus. Given that, oh, we, in the Ukraine are in a proxy war with Russia. And, oh, suddenly, it's not Wuhan. It's the Siberian Russian virus, bro. What's the source for this? Moscow Times.

36:24Jay DyerMoscow Times is a British intelligence, propaganda outfit. It is not in Moscow. It was just called the Moscow Times. It is in London. It's well known as a western propaganda outlet. I knew about that back in the two thousands. If you knew about a lot of this geopolitical stuff. So I don't really trust that source. It's not

36:43Jay Dyera a good source. Russia is acting to contain it. And I think they still don't know exactly why for sure the original lab girl has passed away. They don't know if it's because... But they're just gonna hop on this anyway. And, yeah, it's the same patterns of, like, all of these kind of, like, over and over and over. Also, the heroic

37:08Jay Dyerwhat is it, u... United Arab Airlines story. Come on, dude. That's literally just, like, boomer slop, dude. Only people are gonna believe that's like boomer slop.

37:22Jay DyerNow

37:23Jay Dyercouple things going on in Rome that I think are really significant that we wanna mention. Of course, it's open forum today. If you are of any, weird false religion, you're welcome to call in. That's pretty much any religion that we don't have is the false religions. So you're welcome to call in Mormons, Muslims, atheists, Gnostics, Pagans, you name it,

37:44Jay DyerHebrew,

37:45Jay Dyerroots, Zionists, call in, open forum. Feel free to approve your positions

37:52Jay DyerProtest... Evangelicals, Calvinists, on and on and on. But, apparently, pope Leo has now invited and stacked his summit in the anniversary of Francis' Amoris Leticia Amoris Leticia encyclical, the famous one that allowed

38:11Jay Dyercommunion to be given to remarried and divorced Catholics. And, of course,

38:19Jay Dyeryou've had Tim Gordon, for example, harping on this for the last decade.

38:24Jay DyerThat he thinks this is a significant theological error. Thankfully, the Roman Catholic church has Tim Gortons who can correct the pope I'm pretty sure that when Jesus established the Roman Catholic system as they believe, It's not really just the pope that's running the show. It's actually Tim Gordon who's the consultant to the pope, the power behind the throne. If you read Matthew, it's actually in the Greek. It's really clear if you read Greek, but most of you can't even read the Greek. So you don't know that it's actually citing Tim Gordon as the one that was appointed to actually clarify

38:58Jay Dyerthings for the papacy.

39:00Fr. AnaniasMhmm.

39:00Jay DyerAnd, of course, the Roman Catholic system, if you don't know, that's how it always worked. In fact, every individual Roman Catholic is actually the private consultant to the pope because they always know better than their own infallible heads how the system actually works, and they're actually the ones that are in charge. So it's actually Protestantism if you didn't know. But Francis has put out that encyclical ten years ago, or he did, and it was, you know, celebrated as a hallmark moving the Overton window. And if you don't know how this works, I was a traditional Roman Catholic for ten years or

39:33Jay Dyerso, and I noticed this even back then. They moved the Overton window by floating ideas and gradually doing things. Right? So you don't immediately come out with a skittles and cyclical. You begin to move in that direction by having blessings for irregular couple And then you have women, not necessarily but women who are blessed to pre.

39:58Jay DyerThat's the stage before you move to the next stage. So this is a gradual moving of the Overton window approach. That's exactly what's going on. Here, it looks, because Francis has filled his

40:12Jay DyerVatican summit with skittles, bishops, and priests. All, by the way, appointed by

40:19Jay DyerFrancis. So it doesn't look like

40:23Jay DyerTim is gonna get his desired reversal of Amor's latesia and its

40:29Jay Dyeroddities.

40:32Jay DyerThank you. Could you put some honey in that? It looks like it's gonna go in the direction of full skittles, which is what we have been predicting eventually because they've already moved it down this this route. By the way, on that point of

40:46Jay Dyersupposed outbreak,

40:47Fr. Ananiasright,

40:49Jay DyerWe're going full resident eel here, apparently.

40:52Jay DyerSomebody noticed that

40:54Jay Dyerthree months ago, there were quite a few investments in Moderna stock, almost like they knew something was coming. And guess what? We saw that before 09:11. This one of the key indicators of moving money and investing prior to nine eleven out of airlines and so forth, which would mean foreknowledge Same situation here of a potential coup too. Did you wanna say something? Well... Remember, by the way, I'm on YouTube. You to be very careful what you say about health stuff.

41:26Fr. AnaniasSo yeah, this all lines up. Unfortunately, don't even know who to talk to about this with my my college. But a couple weeks ago, they're sending out emails for a job workshop get your

41:41Jay Dyeryour

41:41Fr. Ananiasjab. And I just I'm like, I can't believe this. Like, we just had the senate hearings. We have all the data here as far as the amount of

41:50Jay DyerVouchey. And stuff like

41:52Jay Dyerthat.

41:52Fr. AnaniasAnd they're pushing it. They're specifically pushing through the nursing school, but it's just like, come... Like, they might as well just bring a pistol and be like, just just blow your brains out. Like...

42:05Jay DyerBut

42:06Fr. AnaniasI'm I'm ashamed that I worked for a college that

42:09Jay DyerI'm sure all the colleges are doing this. So if anybody They're all the same. They're not... Yeah. They're all the same.

42:14Fr. AnaniasIt's interesting they they ramped this up two weeks ago, now we've got this. Right. I'm just saying that

42:18Jay Dyerit all

42:18Fr. Ananiaslines up.

42:20Jay DyerYeah. And

42:21Jay Dyeryesterday's news was that the, quote, unquote, plague. Now notice they've gone before they've gone beyond the the COVID virus, the viral now it's an... It's a plague. So they... They've gone from calling it the COVID virus Now... No. It's a straight up plague, dude. We're talking like medieval rats in the streets peasants being pulled on carts, dumped into giant, you know, landfills. Like, we're full on middle ages plague. We got Jordan Peterson in his plague mask outfit. I mean, we're

42:53Jay Dyerfull

42:54Jay Dyerfull on apocalypse, dude. That's... I mean, that's how the news is. There's also, by the way, pandemonium.

43:00Jay DyerI don't

43:00Jay Dyerknow how much... I

43:01Jay Dyercan't

43:01Jay Dyershow the videos because these have a tendency to get on YouTube on YouTube, but France's total, pandemonium and you can go look all that up because it's all over X and whatnot. Again, by design, we've been talking for a long time about the strategy of the Fabian socialist and other groups that planned back in the eighteen nineties to alter the demographics of Europe and the West by bringing in, foreign people groups by design. It is not incompetent politicians.

43:34Jay DyerThe incompetent politicians are there as a frontispiece to take all of the heat Meanwhile, you have very cunning bankers and oligarchs in the background who have engineered and planned this alteration to move the world into the technical agenda that they have for the next fifty and hundred years. So it's a long term plan. It always has been. And that's what's going on in Europe. And at the same time, these lunatics think

44:05Jay Dyerthey're going to have a global world war with Russia. Yes. You heard me correct. You had Jacobs... Jacob Rees' Mogg, the mouthpiece of the Rothschild Bank in a establishment in England, on with Tucker having debates about World War two and why we need to now have global war with Russia. It's absolutely insane. This guy's, like, actual Rothschild mouthpiece, Bank of England mouthpiece. And he's like, well, if we didn't do the World War two, we'd all be speaking German, and now we'll all be speaking Russian if we

44:36Jay Dyerdon't

44:36Jay Dyerhave world war. This is just insane. Like, these people have this... They destroy their own countries. These Fabian socialist banking elites and then they want everyone else to go into world

44:47Jay Dyerwar

44:48Jay Dyeragainst a global superpower so that they can set up their technocracy. And the the only logic behind all this is that they're committed Satanists. Dude. Like, they're committed to the prince of darkness We're full on John Carpenter prince prince of darkness level. We're we're, you know, pinhead level. We have such sites to show you Hellraiser level stuff. That's what's actually going on. At that level.

45:16Jay DyerBut, no, remember, the oligarchs, the technocrats, these degenerate class of so called elites they didn't suddenly quit because

45:27Jay Dyerkoof went away.

45:28Jay DyerOkay? They're all still planning all of the same things. They still want technocracy. They still want tracking and tracing. They still want total surveillance. They want total depop. None of that went away. Just because

45:41Jay Dyerwhen we got Trump in our... Trump, we just

45:44Speaker 5prom board globally. No.

45:48Jay DyerOkay. That's not doing anything anymore. Like, that's pretty much irrelevant. It did look like for about six months, there was some some real changes going, but short lived. Jeff came back into the picture, everybody's favorite philanthropist. Anyway, to get back though to the religious arm of the global elite, that would be the Vatican, 100%, and all those aligned with Vatican. How long have we been saying that

46:17Jay Dyerwe know how to interpret

46:20Jay Dyernostra a tate. We know how to interpret

46:23Jay Dyerthese texts because we don't just have to look at the words and see if the words mean what they say what they mean. By way, notice when Roman Catholics who have that same the words just mean what they say and say what they mean attitude like the Protestants. When there's problems in Vatican 2, oh, suddenly the words don't mean what they say and say what they mean. They require elaborate extrapolations and elaborate gymnastics to make the system work. Well, I thought the paper documents clarified things and made them clear as to what they mean. No. You see, you don't have a degree in canon law and blah blah blah blah blah.

46:57Jay DyerOkay. So maybe we could just get a papal clerk clarification. Oh, lo and behold, we get one.

47:03Jay DyerAnd Leo says that Vatican two means exactly what we have said the whole time. Shout out to Cleve for finding this and posting this. We'll read this recent statement from Leo By the way, I have a little bit of a either a cold or sinus infection, so I might have to eat some cough drops here in a second. And everybody's gonna complain in the chat

47:29Speaker 5Why do you cough drops while he's on livestream? Because I have a cough, dude. That's what I cough drops for. In 1965, the second Vatican clown council had

47:42Jay Dyera declaration of the church with the non Christian religions, and it opens its... A... It opened a new chapter on the history of relations amongst Catholics, Jews, and believers of other

47:52Speaker 5faiths and spiritual traditions. Far more than a mere text, it marked a profound

47:58Arianachange

47:59Speaker 5in the church's understanding

48:01Speaker 5and expression.

48:05Speaker 5There you go. Catholic dogma changes.

48:10Jay DyerLeo says it changed.

48:14Speaker 5There you go.

48:16Jay DyerRemember,

48:17Speaker 5the words just what they mean and mean what they say according to most of these people. Unless there's a problem like this and suddenly

48:23Jay Dyerno. We need thousands of pages of clarifications from the noninfallible Catholic laity who know better than everybody in Rome where their supposed infallible head is. But, again, Jesus appointed Tim Gordon to be the consultant to the papacy to help the papacy figure it all out. And I'm sure Leo is right now on his Nokia chatting it up with Timmy g. To figure out the true meaning of canon law in the passages of

48:56Jay Dyertoo because we all know Catholic laity are the real source of Catholic phronema. I'm being silly, but I mean, I don't know how many times this has to be made clear. I mean, you can actually look at the actions of the papacy.

49:14Jay DyerIn Catholic morals to see that it's a change. And every time I say this, a thousand dumb Roman Catholics say,

49:23Speaker 5you're trying to say that the papacy falls because it sins. We don't believe the pope is impeccable. No. I am not making the impeccability argument. Nobody believes I don't... I've never even heard anybody say this, except maybe a dumb Baptist or a dumb evangelical. You think the pope can't do nothing wrong? That's what infallibility mean. You think he can't sin. He's sinless.

49:45Speaker 5No. Nobody even believes that.

49:49Speaker 5We all know that the doctrine is that the pope is protected in dogmatic matters supposedly, not in his personal sins and whatnot. We all know that it's... When he's binding people, he can't air. We all know all that. We've heard it a million times.

50:07Speaker 5But we also know that the papacy is supposed to protect, preserve, and teach the same thing the whole time. Supposedly. But, also, remember, theology and doctrine

50:18Jay Dyerevolves somehow.

50:20Fr. AnaniasYeah. Well, that's the other route route they're taking is that Well, this just proves our point

50:25Jay Dyerof doctoral development

50:27Fr. AnaniasWell, it's not an essential change. It's a a clarification. You... We need to remember all these things. God forbid, wherever in court. And so they're like, well, you lied

50:36Speaker 5here. But, like, no. This is a No. It's just a natural development of my

50:40Jay Dyerverbal

50:41Speaker 5acuity.

50:43Jay DyerI I

50:43Jay DyerI've just I've just

50:44Fr. Ananiasnow clarifying

50:45Jay Dyerthat,

50:46Fr. Ananiasyour honor.

50:47Jay DyerYeah.

50:49Speaker 5So, anyway, shout out to Cleve for finding that. But, look, it's not looking good for and I saw actually quite a few Roman Catholics saying from this document,

51:00Jay Dyeryeah, I I I don't... I can't do the pope's planning anymore. Like, there's not really... I mean, they're just outright saying it's a change.

51:09Speaker 5It should be noted that the document also refers to the non Christian religions as companions on the journey. Alright. This is all, like, this is all William James religious, you know, varieties of religious experiment type stuff. When we're all on the same journey, and your experience of god is just your experience, and it's relative. It's not my experience and who knows what God really is. And mean, that's hit.

51:31Fr. AnaniasJohn Hicks, perennialism, god behind the veil. The Rawlsian veil.

51:36Speaker 5Rawl blind touching the same elephant. We don't know what

51:39Jay Dyerwe're touching. Yeah.

51:41Speaker 5And they'll all say, oh, but it's not in... It doesn't matter if it's infallible. It does not matter because this means and admits from the payable perspective that they see and act upon a change in the fundamental relationship of

51:56Speaker 5Christianity to false demonic religions. They're no longer false and demonic. Actually positive expressions of human religiosity that are also varieties of ways to get to God. Remember Francis had that famous scandalous thing, all the religions are path to God. We made many videos on it that a lot of people left Rome over that. Well, once again,

52:20Speaker 5the Vatican is saying what we say.

52:23Speaker 5Not what the trad cats and the online people lawyers say. They're always opposite of what their Vatican says. They're such liars too, by the way. So literally literally a bunch

52:33Jay Dyerof liars. What?

52:35Fr. AnaniasSo when we had doctor Francis Schaeffer here and I actually thanked him for his position, I said... And and he thought I was actually him. I'm like, well, I'm thanking you because you brought a lot of people from Rome over to orthodoxy. And the theology faculty and all the philosophy, their their mouths dropped.

52:54Jay DyerAnd You actually said that, or are you joking?

52:56Speaker 6Yeah. No.

52:56Fr. AnaniasI'm not joking. I actually said that. Like, I have the thank you for this position you're taking because it has brought a lot of converts over from That is to say that we take, you know, the opposite position of you And... But one of the things I noticed is that... And

53:15Fr. Ananiasnot... So France is Beckwith and the colleagues I work with they're not liberal Catholics. Most of them are. But they do... They are not friend... Friends of the trad cats. They're always badmouthing them. And so what I'm trying to say is that they're the theologians and philosophers, and they're in agreement with this stuff. They're like, oh, it's the trad cats that are actually bad. So

53:43Speaker 5I just thought that was Yeah. Well,

53:45Jay Dyerthey recognize that Rome Agrees with them that it's the SSPX, hence the excommunication again. That's the annoyance to those people. To roam into the actual Roman Catholic academic philosophers and theologians, they're annoyed by the trad cats. The trad cats play a game that

54:03Speaker 5well, we're the real Catholics and those are all captured institutions. Well... But Vatican one promises that the Vatican is a institution because divine providence and holy spirit won't let that happen. When I was arguing with with

54:16Jay DyerTim Gordon today on Twitter,

54:19Speaker 5I mean, it's kind of like... It's amazing. Like, Tim is like, you the Vatican can't contradict. It's logically impossible. You can't have a contradiction

54:27Jay Dyerin dogma.

54:28Speaker 5It's it's literally logically impossible. Francis cannot say that the death penalty is against the gospel. He says it's a logical contradiction, so I just ignore all that. He says the papacy can't make me accept a logical contradiction. No. You're missing the point. The whole papacy is the logical contradiction, Tim. So what you've done is construct a... An unfalsifiable position that can never be disproven because it's, quote, logically impossible that there could be such a contradiction. Even though everything points to their being in everybody's

54:59Speaker 5face, this kind of contradiction, you explain it away by saying, well, that's just not possible. It it just... It can't happen. Yeah. But it's right there. It... Leo says it's a change.

55:11Jay DyerOkay. But that's not possible. So if the fact... It was the famous

55:16Speaker 5apophilic quote attributed to Hegel. If the facts contradict the system, then the facts be damned. That's essentially what... And you notice this is what's going on with

55:25Speaker 5all the Roman Catholics and the Thomists especially within Roman Catholicism. They don't care about what the facts are or whether it's... The system is the god. And there's nothing that can defeat or refute the system

55:38Speaker 5even though there's all this evidence, all these things that do refute the system, all these problems in these contradictions, those are all set aside and ignored And just like the Mark character in, the third CS Lewis space trilogy book, you ignore the contrary evidence and you selectively choose the evidence that fits the system. And that's the whole problem with And wouldn't you know they're all evidentialists? And they don't think that evidences are theory laden. That's how naive these people are.

56:09Fr. AnaniasBy the way, you saw I made this point to cleave I actually think

56:15Jay Dyerin

56:15Fr. Ananiasmany senses, papists are more cult like than even Protestants.

56:19Jay DyerThey can

56:20Jay Dyerbe.

56:20Fr. AnaniasBe... I mean, there's just I mean, the process have a lot of different errors, but there's something special about the papist. This nonfalsal thought. Like, there's just nothing that you could show them that would

56:35Jay Dyerwould falsify

56:36Speaker 5their Even when you ask them, what would I need to show you,

56:39Jay Dyerit would be falsified? And they'll say stuff like a bar did, like

56:42Speaker 5well, if you can show me a dogmatic contradiction. Well, they say that, but then everything you present that shows that

56:49Speaker 5is reinterpreted to be not dogmatic.

56:52Fr. AnaniasYeah. Exactly.

56:56Jay DyerSo

56:57Speaker 5and the the funny thing about those types of unfalsifiable systems is that they're really

57:02Jay Dyerweak.

57:03Speaker 5Because you can't really maintain systems like that that have obvious problems because it becomes obvious that they won't even address or look at

57:15Speaker 5problems in the system.

57:16Jay DyerRight? So in other words,

57:18Speaker 5I think everybody would agree there's gonna be limitations in any system. We're gonna need to address and kind of deal with criticisms of our

57:26Jay Dyersystems.

57:27Jay DyerBut the problem with the Thomist approach or the Roman Catholic approach is, no. There are no problems with our system. There is there is nothing to criticize in it. And if you do,

57:36Speaker 5it's because you're persecuting the church, and thus you're therefore proving that we are the true church because we're persecuted. So you see, everything becomes confirmation bias. For those people. Everything. If they lose a war, and the papacy is, you know, imprisoned by the masons and the the mafia and Garibaldi revolution, we'll see that proves the papacy is true because we're persecuted. But then when they when they win, oh, well, see, we won this battle with this crusade. This country went to war. They're Catholic. They won. That proves catholic.

58:09Speaker 5So it doesn't matter whether you win the war or lose the war or you're indebted to the Rothschilds or you're calling for crusades. Everything is approved for the religion. It's the same way with evolution. If you notice the way people treat quote, evolution, everything is approved for it. Oh, junk DNA? Yeah. That proves evolution. Then when when there's no longer

58:30Jay Dyerto be junk DNA, well, of course, we knew that there's no longer junk DNA because it's not possible with evolution.

58:35Speaker 5Evolution is proven by the fact that there's no junk DNA. You see, everything is retooled. And reinterpreted to fit the paradigm's assumptions. And the problem at... Again, what we've outlined being presuppositional the whole time is that everybody operates this way. Because humans operate this way, especially because we're fallen humans.

58:55Speaker 5If we're not true believers, you will interpret the evidence with rose colored Ray Bans. Everything will be seen through the lens of your governing assumptions. So you can present all the facts all day long about this is why your religion's wrong. This is this is this is. And they're still gonna say, no. It's

59:17Speaker 6not.

59:18Speaker 5You're the piece of crap. It's you. You're a bad person. Right? That's the first thing they do. Oh, you don't like Catholicism because you're a bad person. You're piece of shit. You love Catholicism. That's why you're mad. No. I mean, maybe I am the worst person, but that doesn't have anything to do with whether what I'm saying is true or false.

59:36Jay DyerRight?

59:37Jay DyerSo

59:40Speaker 5anyway, let's get back to... I don't know if you guys saw this too. This is a pretty wild So one of the journalists investigating Letnick and Jeff Stein McEvray

59:52Jay Dyerhas apparently, been, unalived himself, okay, which we all know that

59:59Speaker 5when that happens, it's very sus. And he even said he was concerned and that he was... You know, he spoke about these kinds of things.

1:00:11Jay DyerAnd

1:00:13Speaker 5this British journalist whistleblower guy, what was his name? I thought I saved it, but I don't see his name. Simon Andreas.

1:00:28Jay DyerI am the British whistleblower reporting the evidence concerning Letnick and Jeff Son McEvry.

1:00:33Speaker 5I went to the FBI in 2020, 2021. I went to the house oversight committee, blah blah blah. And this person is

1:00:46Jay Dyerunalived.

1:00:51Speaker 5People have noted as well that

1:00:57Jay DyerCandice's hypermoral approach, by the way, it does not match with who she promotes. She... Here she is promoting that witch, Michelle Lammy, who she says that she likes. She's a spirit cooking weirdo fashion witch woman.

1:01:19Jay DyerCandice, by the way, has not addressed the

1:01:23Speaker 5arguments about her profiles. Her responses have been, there's nothing on my profiles on those channels or on my Flickr. Nobody was saying that there was problems problem content on your YouTube... Your old YouTube your Flickr. It's the same addresses or, excuse me, emails, email addresses and sign in info info that links them. So she just deflected originally saying that she had nothing to do with that YouTube channel and then admitting, okay. Yes. That's me in

1:01:55Jay Dyerthe video.

1:01:55Speaker 5Video. So she just she just lies all the time, deflects, and ignores what the actual critiques are. She also didn't address at all the fact that nobody was saying that your husband is sus because he learned Hebrew. They were saying that he's sus because he was the biggest British Zionist prior to marrying you. And she just wipes all that away with red herrings and deflections by saying, there's nothing on my flicker that's that's sexual. This is crazy. There's there's nothing on that old YouTube video that's

1:02:28Speaker 5that's sus.

1:02:30Jay DyerNobody was saying that at all. That wasn't the point. So she just knows her dumb wine mom audience isn't gonna actually go look at the information. Because we're in this weird phase

1:02:38Speaker 5where people are just picking people and ignoring what the facts, information, and evidence actually points to. People want their cult leaders. They their eColabs, their eColts, their niche eColts. Without actually looking at

1:02:56Speaker 5what's actually going on. Was what they're saying actually making sense?

1:03:06Jay DyerWhat's up?

1:03:15Jay DyerOn mute.

1:03:16Fr. AnaniasHey, Jake. Can you hear me? Uh-huh. Hey, man. I was hoping to run an argument past you if if that's alright.

1:03:27Jay DyerOkay.

1:03:29Fr. AnaniasIt's about

1:03:29Jay DyerMormonism. So

1:03:33Fr. Ananiashow how familiar are you with, like, their whole creation story?

1:03:38Jay DyerSomewhat.

1:03:40Fr. AnaniasOkay. So, like, you know, Jesus and Satan were spirit babies and Jesus came up with a plan that everybody gets free will and gets

1:03:48Drewto decide if they wanna come back to live.

1:03:49Jay DyerCorrect.

1:03:50Jay DyerYes. I'm familiar with this. Yeah. Okay.

1:03:53DrewSo Brigham Young in 1861 actually went to far as to say the church doesn't profess this today, but Brigham Young actually went as far as say in 1861 that, god cannot violate agency or he would cease to exist. So if that's the case, then... And even if it's not the case, even if it's he just won't, doesn't under their idea of libertarian free will doesn't the other alternative to the choice have to be viable in order for in order for it to be truly free willed?

1:04:33Jay DyerYou mean... You're saying within their system?

1:04:35DrewWithin their system. Yes. Exactly.

1:04:39Jay DyerI I guess so. Seems like it would be.

1:04:41DrewOkay. So then why would Satan rebel in the first place if Satan's idea was to deny agency?

1:04:48Jay DyerYeah.

1:04:48DrewAnd God would not deny agency. Isn't that like a massive hole in their metaphysics?

1:04:54Jay DyerThat's a really good point. Yeah. I don't know how they would. I don't think

1:04:57Jay Dyerall

1:04:57Speaker 5that Mormonism is that well thought out because when you go to a fine actual Mormon theologians and philosophers, there's only one systematic theology by by Talmadge. There... Maybe there's a new one now. But for a long time there was only one systematic theologian in Mormonism. So I don't really think it's that thought out in terms of trying to

1:05:18Jay Dyermake

1:05:18Speaker 5it consistent. I mean, they were saying that Kane is bigfoot.

1:05:22Jay DyerLike, in the sixties. So...

1:05:24Speaker 5Literally. Did you know did did you know

1:05:27Jay Dyerthat?

1:05:27DrewI I did not know that.

1:05:29Jay DyerNo

1:05:29Jay Dyersir. Yeah. No. One of the Mormon prophets, the the leaders,

1:05:33Speaker 5was pushing in the nineteen sixties and seventies the theory that

1:05:36Jay DyerCain is big foot. So big foot sightings prove the bible because it's Cain from the bible.

1:05:42DrewI'm just I'm just noticing a trend of these more modern, you know, YouTube Mormon apologists, like Twitter Mormon apologist, where they they rely heavily on this guy, doctor Blake Mossler.

1:05:56Jay DyerOkay....

1:05:56DrewIf you've ever heard of him.

1:05:57Jay DyerNo. He must be a newer one.

1:06:00DrewYeah. He's he's a... Anyway, he's a BYU quote unquote philosopher.

1:06:05Jay DyerAnd

1:06:07Drewyeah. His his whole thing is, like, process theology. He grabbed he grabbed on to process theology, and you know, more metaphysics is pretty much whatever they needed to be for that

1:06:18Jay DyerExactly. But I could see why what they would like process philosophy because process philosophy would fit with their idea of the Adam God doctrine.

1:06:27DrewYeah. For sure. But I I feel like that

1:06:31Drewthis is, like, a big pillar that just has a massive hole in it that is pretty easy to exploit. Because if the other choice, you know, an agency has to be viable, then either Satan's retarded and rebelled for no reason, or your entire your entire... The entire pillar that holds up your theology is complete crap.

1:06:53Jay DyerNo. I think it's a really good point. It's great. In fact, and a lot of that kind of stuff hits

1:06:58Speaker 5hits with a a wider audience than if you get into really abstract metaphysics. So that kind of a,

1:07:04Jay Dyeryou know, well,

1:07:07Speaker 5why does Satan rebel to begin with if, you know, there's this situation with agency

1:07:13Jay Dyerthat God can't violate

1:07:16Speaker 5How would you state the argument? Say say the argument again. God can't violate agency. So So

1:07:21Fr. AnaniasBrigham

1:07:21DrewBrigham Young said in eighteen 06/01 that if God was to violate agency, he would cease to exist.

1:07:28Jay DyerOkay?

1:07:29DrewSo if that's the case and Satan's rebellion in Mormon theology was based around the idea of taking away agency and forcing everyone to believe in God and come back to live with heavenly father, then the whole point is moved because God would never do it anyway.

1:08:00Jay DyerFDA, what do you think?

1:08:05Fr. AnaniasSorry. I was busy doing something.

1:08:08Jay DyerState the argument again for FDA. We

1:08:10Fr. Ananiascan't violate agency.

1:08:13DrewYeah. Well, can't or won't. So so today's Mormon apologists typically say that he won't, like, adamantly refuses to do so. But either way, if it's the case that god won't won't or can't violate agency, then Satan's entire rebellion was pointless And, you know, if he's supposed to be, you know, number three on the intelligence tier intelligences out there, it's he's either retarded for rebelling in a pointless rebellion or

1:08:44Drewlike, it's a massive hole in their metaphysics?

1:08:47Fr. AnaniasI don't think so.

1:08:48DrewI see. Think so? No.

1:08:52Fr. AnaniasBecause mean, think about the the way we would respond too is that it doesn't matter how... I mean, let's say it's a Pacific Mormon might say, it doesn't... It has nothing to do with intelligence. It has to do with spiritual error, like vice and stuff like that, will make you stupid and do something. But... Because we have the same thing. It's like, why would... It seems to me that there's things that

1:09:20Drewthe devil knows that that are

1:09:23Fr. Ananiasself defeating, but he does it anyways. But he's the highest created that's not a a

1:09:28Jay Dyera Yeah. I thought you were... That's why I was hesitating because I thought you're arguing I thought you're arguing something different.

1:09:33Speaker 5Yeah. I thought you're making a different

1:09:35Drewargument. Alright. That's that... That's fair.

1:09:37Jay DyerOkay. I'll because they'll

1:09:38Fr. Ananiasjust... They'll... They can salvage it just by saying, look. It's his pride that blinded him and made him retarded.

1:09:45DrewThat's that's that's fair. But, at the same time,

1:09:49Drewdoesn't their idea of libertarians free will agency... Doesn't the other choice have to be viable in order for it to mean anything?

1:10:02Jay DyerWhat... Had to what be viable?

1:10:04DrewThe the the choice the choice... The actual choice itself. So, like,

1:10:09Jay DyerThe

1:10:09Jay Dyerchoice between, like, God choosing between giving people free will or not? Or

1:10:13DrewAny any any choice any choice in

1:10:16Jay Dyerin

1:10:17Drewyou know, libertarian free will. You know? Like, you you can't you can't choose the good unless the evil is also a viable alternative.

1:10:25Speaker 5No. We don't we don't

1:10:27Jay Dyerbelieve that, though. See, that's but that's a a more basic problem of dialectics of the fall than it is a problem of free will because if free will

1:10:38Speaker 5work... Requires evil, then we're in a we're in a Manichean situation. That's why we don't say that. In there,

1:10:44Drewin their... I feel like in their worldview, it's a... It it is that dialect.

1:10:49DrewI mean, I could be

1:10:49Speaker 5wrong. No. I think you're right, though. They would probably define free will as

1:10:53Jay Dyernecessarily choice between good and evil. So at that point, I would just say, well, then you're Manichean.

1:10:59DrewOkay. Alright. Well, I I don't wanna take a

1:11:01Jay Dyerbig...

1:11:02Jay DyerNo. I mean, it's a good question. I think there

1:11:03Jay Dyerthere

1:11:04Speaker 5are there are routes to

1:11:06Jay Dyerto go with that type of critique for sure.

1:11:09Speaker 5I just have to think about it more.

1:11:12Speaker 5But, I mean, just the idea that Jesus and Satan were debating over

1:11:17Jay Dyerlike, how to how to advise God to create men. I mean, that's retarded itself. Like, God didn't debate... Ask

1:11:26Speaker 5Satan, like, what... Should we give them free will or not? Like, the... This idea that Jesus and Satan are brothers itself is just more fundamentally retarded than some abstract metaphysical debate. But and remember, this is,

1:11:38Jay Dyerto go back to this, this is her

1:11:40Speaker 5husband here.

1:11:41DrewAn international prescribed terror

1:11:42Speaker 8organization. Hamas is an international prescribed terror organization. Sorry? Hamas is an internationally prescribed terror organization. Not actually. It's prescribed by a handful of Western countries

1:11:52Drewwhich... Including the one that you're in?

1:11:54Speaker 8Yeah.

1:11:54DrewI agree. But I I

1:11:55Speaker 8don't... Intelligent agencies which are designed to serve the people of this country in America have prescribed a mask. That should raise some serious questions in your head as to whether or you should be did. Did. You have just voiced support for Hamas and Hisbala.

1:12:07DrewNo. I

1:12:07Speaker 8haven't. Yes. You

1:12:08Drewhave. No. I haven't. You actually did.

1:12:09Jay DyerI I

1:12:10Drewsaid... Are they a terrorist organization? Yes or

1:12:12Jay Dyerno?

1:12:13Speaker 6Yeah. They've

1:12:13Drewcarried acts of terror,

1:12:14Speaker 8but I said...... Videos of the iron globe in carried out pale

1:12:17Drewin comparison with the acts of terror. The Israeli The United States recently have been affected.... Iran?

1:12:22Speaker 5Or...

1:12:22Speaker 6No.

1:12:22DrewI support human beings who are struggling for their rights... Iran. Iran

1:12:27Speaker 9murders human beings that are gay and they throw them off the top of buildings. You should hate Iran.

1:12:31Jay DyerWhen

1:12:32Jay Dyerdon't even think that's true. I mean, do they throw people off of buildings? That sounds like some Western propaganda. Number one, why is this always used as some moral high horse argument anyway?

1:12:44Speaker 5Oh, so you want the gays being thrown off of buildings?

1:12:48Jay DyerSuch a lame argument. It's like,

1:12:51Jay Dyerthis is what conservatism is. It's trying to prove where gays have freedom in the world. This is just retarded, dude. This whole line of libertarian Americanist argumentation, I'm so glad that's gone. The only reason I'm playing this clip though is to show you that Candace... The number one world... World's biggest Zionist, is married to the... UK's biggest Zionist is married to the world's biggest anti Zionist. And to me, that's completely sus and ridiculous.

1:13:18Jay DyerWhen the when the

1:13:19Speaker 8president of Iran comes out and says, I wanna wipe Israel

1:13:22Jay Dyerthe... He doesn't actually say that. The

1:13:23Speaker 9Ayatollah committee said that. Ahmed Dinhajek actually

1:13:26Speaker 8said that.

1:13:27Jay DyerSorry. If you look at

1:13:28Jay DyerSo this is all just a dumb propaganda debate. What he said was the Zionist

1:13:31Jay Dyerregime

1:13:32Speaker 5needs to be pushed into the sea.

1:13:34Jay DyerHis statement there's all sorts of inflammatory rhetoric, including...

1:13:37Speaker 8So we just don't trust the words

1:13:38Speaker 9of the president... I will say to I had Tollefsen.

1:13:41Jay DyerBy

1:13:41Speaker 5the way, these people never talk about

1:13:43Jay DyerI don't know when this is. This might be like 2016. This looks like it's kinda old. But this is some Turning Points event with George Farmer speaking at it. But these people never talk about the actions and crimes of big z. Internationally and what they do. Right? So it's almost like

1:14:04Jay DyerThat doesn't exist. The only thing that exists is Hamas and Iran and Hezbollah. It's like, fighting who? Like, what are you talking

1:14:12Speaker 9The head of Iranian's Theocratic construct... Essentially part of government and the former president, Aqaddi Majad, said death to Israel, death to the West, death to America multiple times. They give billions to Hamas. They give billions to Hezbollah. They support the

1:14:26Jay Dyerthe way, this is all silly anyway because the number one country in the world for gender transitions is Iran because that's believes that you can, you can do that because they're

1:14:37Speaker 5stupid hadiths. I mean, this... All of this is retarded and stupid. And we've got basically everybody with the wrong positions

1:14:45Jay Dyerdebating.

1:14:46Speaker 5No one in these debates ever has the right positions. It's idiots debating other idiots. Anyway, I'll finish this clip. Bombing of Israel

1:14:56Speaker 9children. They give money to PA that funds and incentivizes terrorist behavior. They're outwardly antisemitic, not to mention outwardly anti gay, anti christian, anti western, finally, why does Iran want nuclear weapons so...

1:15:09Jay DyerSee, this is... The the... When Christian evangelical apologists are

1:15:14Speaker 5arguing that regimes are bad because they're anti gay, I mean, that's just so fake and gay, dude. And I'm glad

1:15:22Jay Dyerthat Charlie Kirk was moving away from these dumb positions as he, you know,

1:15:27Speaker 5was moving

1:15:28Jay Dyertowards more mature positions.

1:15:32Speaker 5And, you know, as we said, like, we had those videos where he was talking orthodox priests, and he was discussing, you know, his interest in Catholicism and Orthodoxy before he was unalived. So I'm not playing this to diss Charlie Kirk. I'm playing it to to show that, like, has George Farmer recanted all of these positions? Like, it doesn't make any any sense.

1:15:54Jay DyerWe're just supposed to take Candice's word for it, I guess. But

1:15:59Jay Dyersee if there's anything else I wanted to find in the news. Oh, Islam is, like, again, massively expanding in Texas, putting up crop everywhere in Texas. This is some giant

1:16:14Jay Dyeroasis

1:16:15Speaker 5the Islamic oasis in it's 85% complete,

1:16:23Speaker 5which is basically just gonna be a big propaganda

1:16:26Speaker 5base to push their junk everywhere.

1:16:31Jay DyerI'm trying to find out which Texas place they're putting this in. Now they they

1:16:35Jay Dyertried this a while back. They're gonna have an entire Muslim city.

1:16:40Speaker 5In Texas,

1:16:41Jay Dyerand there was so much

1:16:44Speaker 5outcry over it that they were foiled from doing it. But they're... Now they're back. They're gonna keep pushing it. This is a gigantic mosque, Islamic living center. Of Irving.

1:16:57Jay DyerSo Irving

1:16:58Speaker 5Texas.

1:17:01Speaker 5I'm guessing.

1:17:10Jay DyerHe's in community

1:17:14DrewFor the first time, the doors of Oasis

1:17:17Speaker 8opened.

1:17:18DrewAnd our community stepped inside. What began as

1:17:21Speaker 5Wrong oasis,

1:17:22Jay Dyerdude.

1:17:23Speaker 5The only oasis we wanna see in Texas is Noel and Liam. This is the wrong oasis. Division,

1:17:29Speaker 9then drawings,

1:17:30Drewfoundations, walls, and countless hours of work is now becoming something we can

1:17:36Jay Dyerfinally walk through, see, and feel. As families and community members toured these spaces, they weren't simply looking at a building under construction.

1:17:46Jay DyerThey were witnessing a vision coming to life,

1:17:49Jay DyerEvery hallway, every room,

1:17:52Jay Dyerevery unfinished wall reminds us just how far we have come, and how close we are.

1:17:58Jay DyerOasis is 85% complete.

1:18:01Jay DyerBut the final 15% needs all of us. We have come too far to stop now. The doors have opened.

1:18:09Jay DyerThe finish line is in sight.

1:18:11Jay DyerNow together, let's come...

1:18:13Jay DyerOkay.

1:18:14Jay DyerI don't know where Irving, Texas is. Busy

1:18:15Speaker 5programs But... And a

1:18:16Jay Dyeressential

1:18:17Speaker 5social services. This sounds

1:18:18Jay Dyerterrible.

1:18:19Jay DyerInstead of a...

1:18:21Jay DyerAnd as you travel the country, as we've done many times in the last ten years, mosques are going up everywhere. So

1:18:30Speaker 5you see how silly this whole trielectric is? Oh, are you with the evangelical

1:18:34Jay DyerChristian Zionists? Are you with Israel? Are you with Hamas? Are you with the Muslims? I'm against all these. These are all stupid positions. They're all false religions.

1:18:46Jay DyerNoah, what's up?

1:18:53Speaker 5It's by Dallas. Yeah. I figured it was by Dallas.

1:18:58Speaker 5Well, when we were at debate con for doll... And and Dallas for debate con eight, there were Muslims everywhere in Dallas. Like, anytime we'd go out, it was, me and Chase

1:19:11Jay Dyerand

1:19:12Speaker 5Jamie and other, you know, friends of ours. We would go out in Dallas for that four or five days we were there, and it's like, just see Muslims

1:19:19Jay Dyereverywhere. Like, you go to the mall, it's, like, all Muslims. So yeah, Dallas has basically intentionally been completely just flooded.

1:19:29Speaker 5Noah, you wanna mute? What's up?

1:19:31Fr. AnaniasHey. What's up, Jay? I had a quick comment about the the Catholics real quick and then a quick, I guess, question or or or points to bring to

1:19:38Jay Dyeryou.

1:19:39Fr. AnaniasI think the Roman Catholics have a hard time with accepting you know, any sort of evidence that you give them because it's also a cultural identity to them.

1:19:47Jay DyerBeyond

1:19:48Drewa

1:19:48Jay Dyerreligion. Well,

1:19:48Speaker 5they all even say

1:19:49Jay Dyerthat. They all admit that. Yeah.

1:19:51Fr. AnaniasYeah. Yeah. They have four or five generation of Catholicism running in their family. So, you know, it changes our whole world view. So rather than to you know, adopt some sort of truth and search for the truth, they'd rather just accept the the Plato's cave and see the shadows on the wall because seeing outside is way too hard

1:20:09Jay Dyerfor them.

1:20:10Fr. AnaniasThink that's the majority of the issue with them. So I think, I guess some sympathy is warranted there, but it's still pretty stupid when they try to you know, dance around it and do jujitsu around that. But, anyway, with regard to, what we were talking about earlier with the Elite and the COOP two point o, I was wondering, you know, if I can come at it from an economic perspective,

1:20:31Jay Dyerbecause in

1:20:31Speaker 6in

1:20:32Fr. Ananiasniches beyond good and evil, you know, the herd is essential and vital to the operation of the elite. Right? So the elite need the herd in order to facilitate their growth and to to further on their enterprises. And without the herd, then their whole enterprise collapsed. So wouldn't you want to keep the herd happy and keep them as productive as possible? And

1:20:53Speaker 5Well, I mean, until the technocracy is... And

1:20:55Jay Dyeruntil the technocracy is in place, and you don't need to hurt anymore.

1:20:59DrewRight. But why would you wanna destroy that social fabric that, you know,

1:21:03Fr. Ananiasyou know, like, let's just say, you know, Bob the Republican in in Alabama who's all about Metallica and guns and and, you know, my heritage Americans So, like, why would you wanna upset him when he's a part of the herd and you're not gonna get as much production out of him if you upset him.

1:21:20DrewGet what I'm saying? So, like, why would you upset the herd now when you're a technocratic

1:21:26Fr. Ananiasoligarchy isn't

1:21:27Jay Dyerestablished yet?

1:21:30Jay DyerI mean, it's going into place. I mean, there's giant data centers going around here. There's... Like, robots are going into replacing the human workers now. So we're in the phase right now. Where they are transitioning away from the human, so they don't need the humans anymore.

1:21:46Speaker 5I mean, technically, it's not, like, right now totally in place, but

1:21:51Jay DyerI mean, I think the the thought process is it will

1:21:54Speaker 5be in place. But, also, remember that, like, the people that are doing these things are I would say, ultimately demonically motivated even though there's a there's a lot of cunning and a lot of planning and a lot of strategy, they're not god. They're not infallible. So they can still make mistakes. They can still be driven to, you know, do things

1:22:15Jay Dyerwrong, or fail at certain plans just be... Just because... I mean, just because they're evil, it doesn't mean that they're, like, necessarily perfect. And they're and they're

1:22:24Speaker 5evil. They're not all mad scientist, you know, geniuses.

1:22:29Fr. AnaniasYeah. Because I was putting my mind in their heads, and it's like, okay. Like, wouldn't I wanna keep you know, Bob, the Walmart worker with his Metallica shirt happy, you know, who who watches Netflix every night and eats Cheetos. Like, you know, like, why would I wanna upset his

1:22:41Jay DyerI mean, that was the attitude I think. In in past decades, but I don't think they care about that anymore. No.

1:22:46Jay DyerThey're moving into the... You know, they don't need the humans anymore. So that was the purpose of the technocracy itself was to get away from the need for

1:22:55Speaker 5the humans in the equation. I mean, it's an anti human, an antinatalist post human system. That's the whole purpose of it.

1:23:04Jay DyerSo, anyway, people can't... I'm not saying you, but, like, people still can't figure that out. I mean, when Tucker asked that Rothschild banking dude, like, why is is what we have any better than what what would have been had gone... World War two gone different? And he says, well, because the GDP has gone up. So, I mean, these people are literally just repeating stuff as stupid as what Aradite

1:23:25Speaker 5says.

1:23:26Jay DyerRight? Oh, liberal societies are great because GDP go up. Did...

1:23:31Speaker 5What does that even mean? Mean, GDP numbers are fake anyway. Government accounting numbers, they lie all the time. Oh, they don't libel the GDP though. What does that... The fuck does that even mean? The GDP went up. Dude, everybody's purchasing power goes down. It's totally meaningless. The price of everything has like skyrocketed since... Well, the GDP is going up. That doesn't mean anything. So that's just, like, that's meaningless words.

1:23:54Jay DyerThe GDP is going up. The GDP is going up.

1:24:03Jay DyerI don't think there's anything else in the news that I wanted to cover. That's the main issues.

1:24:13Speaker 5Be sure and get you some of that dire merch. All the classics are still there, by the way.

1:24:17Jay DyerYou just have to scroll back a little bit. Top sellers are here at the top. If you're looking for the WigXanthium shirt,

1:24:24Jay Dyerthe other classics, they're right here at the top.

1:24:33Jay DyerI would've thought we'd sell more. I think a lot of y'all are scared to wear Yakub shirts.

1:24:37Speaker 5Think y'all y'all are y'all are scaredy cats. This new

1:24:42Speaker 5Samson versus the lion, that's a pretty cool one.

1:24:45Jay DyerRight?

1:24:45Jay DyerYou can see Samson as a type of Christ.

1:24:48Jay DyerKilling the killing the lion. Right? The devil's a lion. Samson's a type of Christ in the

1:24:55Jay Dyerin Hades when he pulls down the the pillars of the Philistines. So there's typology there. Don't bitch at me about... Oh, Cappsson is not a saint, but, technically, because of what Okay. Whatever. Then just look at it typologically. I don't care about your nerd stuff. I'm not dissing father Steven. I'm talking about the people who obsessively want to debate every single, like, if you wanna believe that Samson is not saying, okay. But I think we all agree that there's

1:25:21Speaker 5typology of Christ.

1:25:22Jay DyerSo just look at it from that perspective. Anyway, it's a cool shirt. It's got... It's kind of a

1:25:27Speaker 5it's got, like, a woodcut

1:25:29Speaker 5Greek mythology vibe to it. I like that. The aesthetic.

1:25:39Speaker 5Some new cringe core shirts as well.

1:25:42Speaker 5Y'all need to really get you a hold of this new yaku right now. That's a new yaku right now.

1:25:48Jay DyerAlright. Who's next? Drew, what's up, man?

1:26:00Jay DyerDrew, I'm here.

1:26:03Speaker 5Speaking of, Yakub, oh, I remember another thing I wanna play. I thought I put it in my saved. I didn't see it pop up, though.

1:26:09DrewYeah. I was gonna make a quick comment about Mormonism. Think someone was asking

1:26:13Fr. Ananiasabout Yes.

1:26:13DrewI I was Mormon for thirty years, not more than I've spoken to you

1:26:17Jay Dyerbefore. Okay.

1:26:18Jay DyerWelcome back, dog. Hey.

1:26:20DrewThanks. Yeah. They, they actually do require good and evil. To, eternally exist together. I thought

1:26:28Jay Dyerthey did. Yeah.

1:26:29DrewFor free will to be possible. And so this is why they actually can't affirm that their gods are morally because there's always a possibility that they could choose evil If there wasn't a possibility they could choose evil, then they wouldn't have free

1:26:47Speaker 6will.

1:26:47Jay DyerYeah. Exactly. I thought that. Yeah.

1:26:49DrewSo that's just like a... And, also, they just I I think that's all I need to say about that. But, yeah, it's a good dialectic to point out it basically just makes it impossible for evil to ever be fully overcome as Christ promises. So

1:27:03Jay DyerExactly. That's a a problem with dialectical definitions of free will is that it requires the existence of evil because

1:27:12Jay Dyerin the garden, right, Adam and Eve and in the eschaton,

1:27:16Speaker 5we will still have free will because it's a essential element of our human nature. In Christology. So how do we have free will when there's no evil? Well, this is another

1:27:27Jay Dyerreason why the Roman Catholic Bezov vision doctrine is a heresy is because it also

1:27:32Speaker 5argues that you don't have... There's not multiple things that you will. In the eschaton, you only will the the the essence of God. Because your your Yeah. Your vision is

1:27:43Jay Dyerfixed on that divine essence, which means that

1:27:45Speaker 5you're not willing other things. This is actually how they define it, by the way. This is not my assessment. Well, that means that you've lost free will because free will is defined in terms of patristic theology and christology in the councils. It's defined as the ability to choose between one or other thing. If there's no choices, then you no longer have free will. It's not defined by the choice between good and evil. Hence why we have free will in the eschaton when there's no more evil. Anyway, but these people are... These are all stupid people, man. Phantom, what's up?

1:28:18Jay DyerBy the way, black people, apparently, I didn't realize this, they invented AI. Did you all know that? Let's check this

1:28:24Jay Dyerout. We

1:28:25Speaker 5probably invented

1:28:26Speaker 12AI. Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

1:28:28Speaker 6Of course.

1:28:28Speaker 12Absolutely. How

1:28:29Jay Dyermany

1:28:29Speaker 12invented this? Somebody did.

1:28:31Jay DyerI mean, the first robot or

1:28:34Jay DyerAll the

1:28:34Speaker 12stuff. All the things. Our cell phones, our headphone, everything. We

1:28:39Jay Dyerso in... We so

1:28:40Speaker 12entrenched in genius. Is

1:28:42Jay Dyerwhat

1:28:42Jay DyerAnd and and, eventually,

1:28:43Speaker 5we

1:28:44Jay Dyerentrenched here. We entrenched in every invention. What's up, man?

1:28:50Jay DyerHey, Jay. I called you because a few live streams ago,

1:28:56Phantom (caller)people were talking about difference between sin and crime. Do you remember that? Yes.

1:29:03Phantom (caller)Yeah. There was a big discussion. So

1:29:06Jay DyerI

1:29:07Phantom (caller)I knew, but I couldn't remember at that time. I knew that I read something about

1:29:11Phantom (caller)like, the gay rights in Orthodox Christian countries throughout time. Right? Okay. So I went back in I tried to find, to find something. So I found

1:29:21Jay Dyerit.

1:29:22Phantom (caller)So, basically, from medieval Serbia where I'm from to today's Russia and today's Serbia and today's Bulgaria and Greece Mhmm. Nothing has changed. It was... It's basically this is not a crime, but it's immoral, so we are not going to promote it. You guys need to repent. You need to pray. You need to confess. But, basically, we are going to leave you alone as long as you don't go into public places and you don't go around children promoting that garbage

1:29:53Phantom (caller)So that's basically for... I found eight hundred years. You know? So maybe it's longer than that. Okay. That's what I found. And I found something very interesting. The West, the protestants and Catholics moved from one extreme to the other because there was some Puritan guy who worked for the English government, and he went to Russia around 1700. And he wrote that Russians are all Sodomites.

1:30:24Phantom (caller)Because they are soft on gays. Because I guess Puritans at that time were putting gay people along and burning them in doing all kinds of stuff.

1:30:34Jay DyerSo...

1:30:35Phantom (caller)And then now, England or Great Britain is the biggest

1:30:39Jay Dyerbiggest promoter of They're the...

1:30:40Jay DyerThey're all fake and gay. Exactly.

1:30:42Phantom (caller)Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They move. So they move.

1:30:57Phantom (caller)That was very interesting to me, and it's it's start because even in, like, I know, eighteen fifties, In Great Britain, it was more severe as punishment on some crazy... In front of a chart because he had sex with some guy and all of that. Was that Oscar? Wild.

1:31:22Jay DyerOr did it I think that sounds right.

1:31:24ArianaNot Oscar Wilde.

1:31:25Jay DyerThat

1:31:25Jay Dyersounds right.

1:31:25Phantom (caller)Yeah. Yeah. Somebody somebody was badgled in front of a judge. In in England, I believe in England, because she was, like, he he was found having sex with some

1:31:36Jay Dyerguy. Right. He

1:31:37Jay Dyerwas

1:31:38Phantom (caller)brought into the public hearing and patriarchy in front of a judge. And and all of that. You know, basically, publicly humiliated for that. You know? So they moved. We... I guess we stayed from the beginning, from the Justinian, and he's canals because Saint Savo wrote according to the Justinian canals. So probably probably it's all the same. You know? So that that I just wanted to comment on that. And I wanted to ask a question about niche if I can

1:32:07Jay DyerSure. On the

1:32:07Phantom (caller)local

1:32:08Jay Dyerlevel and...

1:32:09Phantom (caller)Because

1:32:09Jay Dyerfather

1:32:09Phantom (caller)deacon is here. It's... We have a problem here in in Eastern Europe. The nongovernmental agencies, they are all governmental from the West. Are coming to to our countries, and they are pushing all of this

1:32:24Phantom (caller)sick of stuff and all of that. You know?

1:32:26Jay DyerAnd

1:32:26Phantom (caller)the only way we found to combat that is to unite on the local level with the Catholics, Muslims, Protestants. In order to fight against

1:32:39Phantom (caller)those types of stuff, do that agenda. So I don't know if you or father, they can see any, any avenue for for working with other religious groups in that way. Not in this way where we say there is no difference between us in religious

1:32:58Speaker 5Yeah. Yeah. No. That's not that's not a

1:32:59Jay Dyerecumenism, and I'll let father deacon answer that as well. But, I mean, just to be clear, no, I think there's times where you might

1:33:06Speaker 5be forced to make political alliances on, you know, pro life issues or whatever when we are, you know, not a man... In the majority or we're losing. Majority status, there could be tactical situations without becoming ecumenist. Father Deacon, I'm sure you would probably agree.

1:33:25Jay DyerYeah.

1:33:27Fr. AnaniasEspecially on maybe social Yeah. Like

1:33:31Jay Dyerpro life or something like

1:33:32Fr. Ananiasthat? Yeah. Yeah. Like, I could see I could see doing that. That doesn't mean yeah, you're an ecumenist or something like that. Example, wouldn't you do the same thing if somebody was just agnostic or secular?

1:33:48Jay DyerOr just think about an individual. Like, you meet a guy on the road and, you know, he needs help. Like,

1:33:53Jay Dyergonna help him before... You're not gonna say, are you a Samaritan? I will not help you.

1:33:58Speaker 5Are you a Roman Catholic? I will not help you. Right? You would help people regardless. And so likewise, you know, being pro life, you're going to be helping children who are not necessarily Right? They're going to be raised Catholic or Muslim. So mean, if you define ecumenism so narrowly that you can't

1:34:17Speaker 5in any way, socially help or interact with people, would be, I think, kind of absurd and impossible.

1:34:25Jay DyerI didn't mean to interrupt you. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

1:34:29Phantom (caller)FDA? Go

1:34:30Speaker 5ahead. I'm sorry. Well, I

1:34:31Jay Dyergot... I

1:34:32Fr. AnaniasI wonder what

1:34:34Fr. Ananiaspeople think about what ecumenism is. I'm kinda curious. Do people even

1:34:41Drewhave, like,

1:34:42Fr. Ananiasan idea what it is, or is it just like... It's almost like a fear word. That it's like they kinda lose their rationality if you look oh my gosh. That's... It's one of them. It's an ecumenist.

1:34:54Jay DyerYeah. It gets really kind of like, well, anytime you're... Well, you're an ecumenist if you're at the college you're at. Right? I mean,

1:34:59Jay Dyeryou...

1:35:00Jay DyerLike... Well, I've

1:35:00Fr. Ananiasbeen I've been accused of that. Because I work at a Roman Catholic college. I'm obviously part of the b system and work in witchcraft. But, you know, for example, I was invited by the chaplain to to do an ecumenical prayer service. That, like, ushering in the, the new president of Carroll College. And I was not comfortable with that. That's Yeah. Now

1:35:34Fr. Ananiasam I pro... Like, but it's it's still gray area. It's like, am I praying with them? Or am I simply I'm there I'm praying for the person, but I'm not participate... It was too great that I I bound out. Like, I I... First of all, I talked to father Russell, and I'm like, I'm not comfortable with this. I'd rather not.

1:35:55Jay DyerBut,

1:35:56Fr. Ananiasclearly, you know, I put my stole on or... You know what I mean? It was some liturgical service or something like that. But, you know, people will even get tripped out about like, well, what do you do with heterodox family members? We pray over them. But, like, yeah, there's some tricky areas. Like, you leave prayer or something like Does it mean you're

1:36:18Jay Dyerpraying

1:36:18Speaker 6with the...

1:36:19Fr. AnaniasNo. But, like, it gets convoluted. Well, like, when you're all going in a circle and, like, each person's praying, and I'm like, yeah, that's borderline acumenism, but also the like you said too, the background kind

1:36:34Jay Dyerpresuppositions, like,

1:36:36Fr. Ananiasdo you believe

1:36:38Fr. Ananiasthat they're heretics and and her... Like, not Christians.

1:36:45Fr. AnaniasMakes a difference. Or do you believe, look. We're all just worshiping the same god in our own way, then I... So I think the kinda underlying presuppositions are really important too. And kinda define what... But... Yeah. So, certainly, you're gonna get into areas that are gray... Like, I just don't even wanna be around that. But, clearly, working in aroma and catholic college or something like that and, you know, talking, having conversations about kinda like, that's not acumenism.

1:37:11Speaker 5Yeah. Or attending, you know, IOTA conference or whatever or attending, you know, I mean A

1:37:18Drewmasa... If attending

1:37:19Jay Dyerthe

1:37:19Speaker 6Masonic

1:37:20Fr. AnaniasLodge.

1:37:20Jay DyerI know. He's joking it.

1:37:21Speaker 5I mean, I think the... You know, it's defined canonically as within the context of worship. Right? So you can't go worship

1:37:30Fr. Ananiasat

1:37:31Jay DyerRoman Catholic

1:37:33Speaker 5celebrations. You can't participate in the Eucharist and all that. You know, let's say, like, father served and rose talked about

1:37:41Speaker 5you know, a really good Protestant, you know, of evolution if he was giving lectures. You know, he said stuff like there... There's nothing wrong with going and attending that as long as you're you know, participating in the the Baptist worship service or whatever. So you know, there's flexibility there, and I think, you know, most priests allow people to attend funerals and, you know, with

1:38:02Jay Dyerlimited degrees of participant.

1:38:04Speaker 5Like Weddings. Yeah. You can't... You... But you can't, like, go to the Methodist wedding. And if they happen to, like, do Methodist communion or something, like, you can't do that. You can go to the wedding, but you can't, like, participate in the communion. But

1:38:16Jay DyerAnd the

1:38:16Phantom (caller)other thing, what's

1:38:17Fr. Ananiascrazy is the amount of orthodox that actually

1:38:24Fr. Ananiasto actually... I mean, it's not a large amount, but the fact that there's any at all blows my mind. People that I actually know personally and it's because of parents. So let's say they're visiting their parents They'll go to the Protestant church, which... And I'm like, that is absolutely not allowed. And so said, oh, my priest, bless. It's like, your priest is totally wrong. You should find a new priest. I mean, what if your priest blessed you to go to the strip club? Do you gonna listen to him? Well, as you said it could do it, well,

1:38:55Fr. Ananiasthat just... That's a sort of kind another kind of ecumenism too that, like, even though they realize their differences, the fact that you're going to mean, you know what it is? It's whoring around. I'm just gonna call it out. That you were married to a body, one body,

1:39:14Fr. AnaniasThat is the mystical body of Jesus Christ. And so if you're going to worship services,

1:39:20Fr. Ananiasyou're whoring around. Like, you basically think it's you might as well just tell your wife, well, look. I'm gonna go, whore around with this other girl. You would... At least she's Christian. Right? Isn't that all that matters? And I think that really kinda drives that point home. But, like, that's a really bad type of ecumenism too that I would say a lot of people don't think about. But I bet there's people in your parish that you... Anybody that, you know, listening might know that do that kind of stuff, and that's absolutely terrible.

1:39:54Fr. AnaniasIt's very devastating, I think, for somebody's soul.

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1:40:11Jay Dyerhim.

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1:40:19Jay Dyergood to support our ortho bros. What's up?

1:40:25Fr. AnaniasHello, Jake. Can you hear me? Uh-huh.

1:40:28Phantom (caller)Listen. I have two questions for you, if that's okay.

1:40:31Speaker 5Four?

1:40:33Jay DyerYes.

1:40:34Jay DyerI mean, just give me two.

1:40:40Jay DyerOkay. When you're going to do

1:40:43Speaker 14book tour or, I mean, your shelves, you... Are you going to show your books one day? And and a video maybe. To show off your book collection. It's long overdue.

1:40:55Jay DyerWell, one problem is that there's two two places with three different rooms. So I have to, like, film two different places because I have some pretty important books. That are still at the other place. In that book room, they're not here. I don't know. I haven't really thought about it.

1:41:13Jay DyerBut why does everybody need to see my books anyway?

1:41:18Speaker 14Got... You

1:41:18Jay Dyerguys are

1:41:18Drewgonna try to dox

1:41:19Jay Dyerme. Right? So if I

1:41:20Speaker 14show

1:41:20Jay Dyeryou, like,

1:41:21Speaker 5I've got a certain, you know, tiny mustache man book when you put that up. Oh, look. We got him. He's a he's a follower of a tiny mustache man.

1:41:30Jay DyerProof. Look at the book he's got. That's the kind of stuff people do.

1:41:34Jay DyerNo. I'm not that. I know you weren't, but I'm saying, like, that's

1:41:39Speaker 5I don't know. Like, why do people even need to know what books I have?

1:41:43Jay DyerNobody reads books anyway. So

1:41:47Jay Dyeranyway, go ahead. What's up? I'm just having fun with you, man. Go ahead.

1:41:50Fr. AnaniasOkay. No. No. The... I gotta tell you. The reason why Jay can't do that, they're all fake covers. They're not actually real

1:41:58Speaker 5They're not even real bugs. It's

1:42:00Jay DyerAI.

1:42:00Jay DyerIf you if

1:42:01Phantom (caller)you open it up, it's all just...

1:42:04Jay DyerBlank.

1:42:05Jay DyerIt's

1:42:05Speaker 6all just philosophical.

1:42:06Fr. AnaniasAnalysis of ginger cheese, which I just

1:42:08Jay DyerEvery

1:42:09Jay Dyerbook is fake, and it's just

1:42:11Speaker 14blank.

1:42:11Speaker 5It's cardboard set.

1:42:12Jay DyerIt's

1:42:13Fr. Ananiasjust full of, like... It's just stash. Is there, like... You know, ones, like, where they're fake books where you open it up where people put their weed? But, like, for you, it's just, like, ginger juice, like, you open it up, and that's where all your secret stash of ginger juice are.

1:42:29Jay DyerYeah. I mean, people don't understand why you even have books anyway. So like, you put up your books. They're gonna assume that

1:42:36Jay Dyeroh, you have books on... You a

1:42:39Speaker 5Mormon shelf?

1:42:40Jay DyerMust be into Mormonism. Oh, you have a shelf on World War two? You must be a secret tiny mustache man. Because you have a bunch of those books. It's just like people can't even... I mean, years ago, I put up a picture of some of my library and people were just reading into it all these assumptions that, oh, the only reason you have that book is because you must

1:42:59Speaker 5must believe

1:43:00Jay Dyerthat. That's how retarded it is. So it just feeds retards. There's no point. What's up, man? What's what's your next question?

1:43:07Speaker 14For my next question is, about monastic catholic orders. How did the Vatican one and Vatican two impact them after

1:43:14Jay Dyertheir

1:43:14Speaker 14ultra

1:43:15Jay Dyerliberal reforms? That's a good question. I don't actually know a whole lot about that. I know that Vatican... People have done

1:43:22Speaker 5studies post Vatican two about the rabid and rapid decline of priests laity, and others entering into monastic life. But beyond that, like, in terms of actual aesthetic practices, I would imagine there were significant alterations, but

1:43:44Jay DyerI don't know for sure. One thing I could point you to that's pretty wild is

1:43:48Speaker 5the Trappos Monastery in Kentucky, which is not far from where I am. It's the famous one that, you know, Thomas Merton

1:43:55Jay Dyerwas at.

1:43:56Speaker 5Like, they went post Vatican too. They went full zen. They were basically zen monks, and maybe they may still be. They're... Like, you can look at the videos.

1:44:06Jay DyerThey're like... Obviously, they're all gay dudes. A 100%. Right? And you know, Thomas Merton was pushing all of that zen post Vatican two. So What Go ahead. Order

1:44:19Fr. Ananiaswas he? He was

1:44:21Jay DyerTrappist. The the Trappist in Kentucky. The Trappist.

1:44:23Fr. AnaniasTrappist. And then also

1:44:26Fr. Ananiasthe Franciscans are pretty out there too.

1:44:30Jay DyerAll are now. Yeah. They... Many of the Franciscans do a lot of yoga and all

1:44:34Jay Dyerthat kind

1:44:34Jay Dyerof stuff. Yeah. Absolutely.

1:44:35Fr. AnaniasYeah. Yeah. Exactly. And by the way, so this is helpful to point out. So there are no lay

1:44:43Speaker 14monastics in

1:44:46Fr. AnaniasCatholicism. Isn't that right?

1:44:49Speaker 5Well, there are third order laity who have, like, some kinda can call them. So... I mean, technically, no, but they have that third order thing, like,

1:45:01Jay Dyeryou know, people we know.

1:45:04Fr. AnaniasOh, yep.

1:45:05Jay DyerI got it. But that's kinda rare. It isn't

1:45:09Speaker 5a lot of times, those are people that think that they might be monks one day or, you know, like a widow who was

1:45:16Jay Dyermarried and then they become a third order Franciscan. Or I knew a girl who

1:45:20Speaker 5wanted to become

1:45:23Jay Dyera monastic, and... But before she was a novitiate, she was like a third order Benedictine for a... So, basically, kind... I mean, a little bit, but typically, no.

1:45:37Speaker 5I've not met a lot of of lay third order people, but it does technically exist in the Rome Of Cali world. I've only met, like, one or two ever that

1:45:47Jay Dyerwere part of that.

1:45:49Fr. AnaniasYeah. You can kinda... Now I know what you're talking about. Like, the Benedictine order, we do the Benedictine prayer rule, and we do these things, and it's like, they kinda are, but they're... Yeah. I see what

1:46:01Jay Dyersaying.

1:46:02Jay DyerAnd I think, like, you have to get, like, a blessing, you know, from the bishop. To be a third order Franciscan layperson or whatever. So it's it's not... It's very rare. But

1:46:15Speaker 5you know, it's funny because a video popped up recently about Merton and the the Trappists, and I was show you guys. It was a news report,

1:46:27Speaker 5because it's in e town. And, yes, that's the same

1:46:30Jay DyereTown that they made that Orlando Bloom

1:46:34Speaker 5Kirsten Duntz, manic pixie dream girl movie about. No. Not Elizabeth Warren.

1:46:43Speaker 5It's Elizabethtown, Kentucky, which has this weird Trappist monastery. I've gone to this monastery just to check it out back when I was at Bible College. And I wanted to

1:46:53Jay Dyershow you guys this news clip because if I can find it. Because the... They're so gay, dude. And they're like... It shows them, like, doing like, zen meditation. And there's, like, one crazy hermit that lives in the woods behind this place. I don't know if he's still there, but he used to be there. See if I can find that news club because it's funny. Because they interview they interview these guys, and they're like, well, we just we just make chocolates, and,

1:47:20Speaker 15you know, we just try to be thin. And it's like, what does this have to do with, like, Christianity at

1:47:24Jay Dyerall?

1:47:27Speaker 5Alright. Let me put in monastery. It'll come up. A couple accused of stealing from the monastery. Oh, now I can't... Oh, here it is. Is this it? Let's see. Cash strapped monastics

1:47:51Jay Dyeropen brewery. No. That's not it.

1:47:55Speaker 5I don't know. I can't find it, but

1:47:57Jay Dyerjust take my word for it. They are Zen Buddhists. They're not even... They don't even care about

1:48:04Speaker 5Catholicism.

1:48:05Jay DyerBut that was all post Vatican too. Next question.

1:48:10Speaker 14This is going to sound a little bit strange, but I left you a comment on one of your livestreams on your... On YouTube about a month ago. On a livestream called Kenneth Owens versus Andrew Wilson Islam Hasan pike revolution, con, Thomism, death, and LSD codes.

1:48:31Speaker 15Okay.

1:48:32Speaker 14That's the that's the title of the livestream, I'm telling you.

1:48:35Fr. AnaniasOkay.

1:48:37Speaker 14And I I left you a huge comment about criticizing... Expanding of what told about Hassan Baker and leftist morality.

1:48:45Speaker 15Okay.

1:48:47Speaker 14I I don't I don't wanna sound like I'm advertising myself, but I really, really appreciate if you can read it. Not now. Afterbikes

1:48:55Jay Dyerto me Okay. I'll I'll I'll look up the comment. And what was your YouTube handle?

1:49:02Speaker 14Well, it's It was... It's a fresh comment. If you refresh it up, you'll see it.

1:49:09Jay DyerOkay.

1:49:09Jay DyerI'll check it out.

1:49:10Jay DyerI

1:49:11Jay Dyerappreciate it, man. It's very

1:49:12Phantom (caller)long. Okay.

1:49:13Speaker 14I start with h j great stream. That's how it starts. That's the

1:49:16Jay DyerOkay.

1:49:17Jay DyerLine. Appreciate that, man. I'll check it out for sure. We was. What's up? We was. You wanna unmute?

1:49:34Jay DyerGo ahead.

1:49:37Phantom (caller)I

1:49:37Drewwas actually just

1:49:38Jay Dyerlistening to, recordings, and, it

1:49:43Speaker 16it was interesting. He said that exact line about, you know, oh, it's not acumen. Humanism to just attend this or that. So but, and it's also fun. Yeah. I I used to read Thomas Merton That guy was was definitely crazy. He died. He had a

1:50:00Jay Dyerin

1:50:01Speaker 16a hotel. Yeah.

1:50:02Jay DyerHe got electrocuted.

1:50:04Speaker 16Yeah. But it was, like, a Zen Buddhist interfaith conference.

1:50:09Speaker 5Yeah. He died in an ecumenist

1:50:10Jay Dyerinterfaith zen thing by getting electric, getting a fan.

1:50:13DrewWow. That's shock... That's shocking.

1:50:16Jay DyerI

1:50:18Speaker 16was just wondering, though, you seen that

1:50:23Jay DyerSome people think he might have been assassinated too, by the way, which, I mean, I don't know. But go ahead.

1:50:30Speaker 16Yeah. You're right. Have you seen this Michael Guy who's the son-in-law of Danny Hen?

1:50:36Jay DyerNo.

1:50:38Speaker 16Yeah. He's... And he's, like, the son-in-law of Benny Hinn, but he's he, like, grew up Greek Orthodox, and then now he's been, you know, total Protestant. But he's doing this whole, like, drift on, you know, the... Sacramental humanism thing. But he's got a conference coming up called Jesus twenty six sacred wounds in, like, France this Chan's

1:51:03Speaker 14gonna be

1:51:03Jay Dyerthere.

1:51:05Speaker 5Okay. This is Benny Hinn's

1:51:08Jay Dyerstep son or... What what did you say?

1:51:10Speaker 16His

1:51:10Jay Dyerson-in-law. Son-in-law. What's his name? But Michael

1:51:14Speaker 16Culloousios. But he's got a conference happening in

1:51:20Jay DyerOkay. Can you spell it? Because it sounds like it's fun... It would be funny to watch. Spell his last name.

1:51:26Speaker 16K o u l I a n o s.

1:51:30Jay DyerOkay. And then I see a bunch of Benny Hinn stuff coming up. And then what's his conference?

1:51:37Speaker 16Jesus twenty six. But if you look at, like... And he's got, his church or his ministry or whatever it's called, Jesus Image,

1:51:47Jay DyerBut, yeah, his

1:51:48Speaker 16if you look at his Instagram, like, the last year or two, he's really been going hard on ecumenism. Like, he'll he's, you know, putting everybody together, and it's all about Jesus. But he's, like, even... Like, it's crazy. He's, like, you know, trying to talk about the real presence, and he's you know, basically just appropriating the

1:52:12Jay DyerHe's doing what Francis Chan was doing is to appropriate stuff. From orthodox c and high church stuff to make it look like, oh, we can do what you do too.

1:52:22Speaker 16I think I think Francis Chan was pretty genuine in it all the

1:52:25Jay DyerNo. I don't think he is not. He's

1:52:27Speaker 16not. Well, I I don't think he is now, but at the start, I think he was. Like, actually pretty interested. But then but this this guy grew up orthodox. Like, he grew up all that and apparently, his cousin or his uncle is a bishop in England or something too. But but at this conference, you've got father John Beer going there.

1:52:49Speaker 16Who? And father John Beer d

1:52:52Jay Dyere m

1:52:52Speaker 5a Oh, Bear.

1:52:53Jay DyerYeah. John Bear. Yeah.

1:52:54Speaker 5He's... So you're saying he's attending this ecumenist thing with Benny Hinns? Guy. Yeah.

1:53:01Speaker 16It's just it's just... I've never I don't really know who he is. I I saw one video where he's talking about Origen. So

1:53:08Fr. AnaniasOh, yeah. He had... He used to be... I think he was actually dismissed. I don't

1:53:13Jay Dyerknow

1:53:13Jay Dyerif

1:53:14Jay Dyerhe can tell.

1:53:14Speaker 5A super

1:53:15Jay Dyerlib, like, he went... Like, all these... Like, they just go super lib. Like, go ahead,.

1:53:22Fr. AnaniasWell, he was actually dismissed, I think. He was dismissed from Saint Vlad's, but when he... He was the dean there and he had, like, a...

1:53:30Jay DyerMade

1:53:31Fr. Ananiasan icon of Origen placed it above his.

1:53:34Jay DyerAnd

1:53:34Speaker 15Yeah.

1:53:35Fr. AnaniasHis behind him in his office and stuff like that. So he... He's ridiculous. And he's just... He's all connected to the Fortamite I think he went to Fordham. And then

1:53:46Jay DyerYeah. Another faking gay academic,

1:53:49Jay DyerCoffee

1:53:49Drewwith Barb, sister Barb,

1:53:52Fr. Ananiascoffee. Yeah. Boston? All of it's

1:53:55Jay DyerIs it? Yeah. Because

1:53:56Fr. Ananiashe's Hold on. They're, like, buddy buddies. Okay. Hold on.

1:53:59Jay DyerBarb or is that somebody different from Basa? Who's Barb?

1:54:02Fr. AnaniasYeah.

1:54:03Jay DyerBarbara. I didn't know

1:54:04Fr. Ananiasher name. Barb. Yeah. I call her Her name's Barbara Vasa. And since she was kicked out of the Orthodox Church.

1:54:12Jay DyerRight. Now what's funny too is a lot of these guys just like David Bentley Hart, like, in the two thousands, they were, you know, conservative orthodox priests or theologians. And then over time, they get more and more and more and more lib. That's a weird pattern that I've noticed from some of these people since because I first started looking at orthodox stuff about two thousand six, seven.

1:54:41Speaker 5And it's just interesting seeing from you know, twenty years of looking at the space how many of these people

1:54:51Jay Dyerjust drifted off into these just totally faking gay directions. And they're all the same too. They're all academics. They're all, you know, like Father Deagan is saying, like, they come out of Anglican and Fordham Circle a lot of times.

1:55:10Jay DyerYeah.

1:55:10Speaker 16There's that guy Bradley as well.

1:55:13Jay DyerHe...

1:55:14Jay DyerThey all love Origen. It's like the same pattern you see with all these people.

1:55:19Speaker 16Yeah. So I think... An eye on that Michael Cooliano's guy for sure. I think there's some crazy stuff going there. But, Jessica, can I ask a question as well? Yeah.

1:55:32Speaker 16For the, like... It was interesting. I was listening to that. It was, like, a seven video... It's, like, restored recordings. Thing on YouTube, and it's amazing. I've been listening to it. But, one of the lectures he was talking about kinda like the tensions within orthodoxy where you have, like, the cue miss acumas part, but then he he talks about, like, there's a monk on Mount Athos 's only in communion with, like, 10 other monks in the world. And father Septuagint is kinda talking about, like, the

1:56:04Speaker 16redundancy, I guess, of of being too strict. And I know it kinda made me think, like, kinda of the no true Scott's thing. Like,

1:56:14Speaker 6how do we...

1:56:15Jay DyerBecause

1:56:16Jay DyerYou just don't... You just avoid the schismatic groups. I mean, like, there's no

1:56:22Jay DyerI mean, if you're not a monastic, don't worry about it. You don't have to worry about what's happening on the Athos and who is in communion with who and, like, you don't... God doesn't expect us to worry about what's happening everywhere in the world and in the mean, think about the ancient medieval world. You wouldn't even know what was going on on Mount Athos.

1:56:41Speaker 5You wouldn't know there was some monk in communion with 10 people.

1:56:44Jay DyerKnow what I mean? Like, the the the... I'm not faulting you. I'm just saying,

1:56:47Speaker 5like, we think that because we see all the stuff on the Internet all day long, which is totally unheard of and for the rest of humanity prior to the Internet. We weren't made and meant to hear a thousand people's thoughts every day. You would be interacting with a handful of people. So it's a really weird, non normal situation that

1:57:06Drewwe're

1:57:07Speaker 5in these days. And

1:57:08Jay Dyera lot of this stuff is... It doesn't matter, man. It's not I'm not saying the church doesn't matter. I'm saying Like, don't worry about it. Who cares what some crazy monk is saying somewhere that he's only in communion with 10 people? I mean, it's just like

1:57:24Speaker 5I don't know. I I just have a lot less patience for a lot of this stupid stuff

1:57:28Jay Dyerdays. Like, as I've gotten older and as I've

1:57:31Speaker 5hopefully

1:57:31Jay Dyermatured, like, lot of this stuff is just dumb, dude.

1:57:34Speaker 5I mean, Benny Hen or Benny Hill. Right? I would say concern yourself with Benny Hill.

1:57:50Jay DyerOver Benny Hinn, guys. Just making jokes. Anyway, what's up, man?

1:57:55Jay DyerSlug.

1:58:03Jay DyerThe other thing that's funny too is, like, I mean, think about the guy that the cleave just can you mute for a second, dude? That's really loud in the background. Think about the guy that that. It's okay. The guy that Cleave just argued with. Right? This true... Bro, come on, dude. It's loud. Holy dude.

1:58:23Speaker 5The guy that Cleave was arguing with, this true orthodox schismatic priest is like,

1:58:28Speaker 5these guys, they're not even mentally there. And a bunch of the people in that true orthodox schismatic

1:58:34Jay Dyerworld,

1:58:34Speaker 5they're actually crazy

1:58:35Jay Dyerpeople.

1:58:36Speaker 5Like, everybody else in the world can look at those people. They can look at their eyes and see these people are lunatics. Their jurisdictions with, like, two people in the od. It's just insane. Like, that's obviously not the true church.

1:58:49Speaker 5The two church is not too, like, SSRI lunatics like brother Nathaniel and somebody else.

1:58:55Jay DyerOkay?

1:58:58Speaker 5It's just a waste of time. Don't even waste your time with us. I've been telling you guys for ten years not to even waste your time with that stuff. It's a total waste of your time. And the people that you're interacting with are actually mentally ill. People literally Yeah. Jay, this is all great. You're theoretical advice,

1:59:16Fr. Ananiasbut what are we gonna do about it?

1:59:17Speaker 5How are you gonna... Oh, so you can't refute

1:59:19Jay Dyerthem?

1:59:19Jay DyerSo you don't have an actual reputation?

1:59:22Fr. AnaniasYou don't remember the whole joke? It's the running joke from the very first Montanico when that... We had that fed show up and was like, oh, this is all great theoretical stuff. Jane,

1:59:32Speaker 5But what are you... How are you gonna take action?

1:59:34Fr. AnaniasYeah. I hope we're take action.

1:59:38Speaker 15How are we gonna overthrow the US government?

1:59:41Jay DyerThat's a joke for somebody clips that. Friend, what's up?

1:59:49Speaker 15Friend, what's up?

1:59:55Jay DyerUnmute.

1:59:59Speaker 5Last chance.

2:00:04Jay DyerAris, what's

2:00:05Jay Dyerup?

2:00:10Speaker 5Yeah. The real question is, did father or did brother Nathaniel ever get Dasha's number? That's what I wanna know.

2:00:18Speaker 5Because she messaged me that. She was like, this crazy dude is asking for my number. I was like, you should give it to him.

2:00:24Jay DyerDid she

2:00:24Jay Dyergive

2:00:24Jay Dyerit?

2:00:24Speaker 5Yeah. She should've done... She said she

2:00:26Jay Dyerdid because she thought he was funny and crazy, and I'm like, good luck with that. Have fun. What what do they

2:00:31Jay Dyercall

2:00:33Fr. Ananiaswhat do they call that back on the day where the like, the person would shark you out of their money? Like, lead you on and stuff like that?

2:00:42Speaker 5Lover boy nothing?

2:00:45Jay DyerYou talking about, like, Tristan Tate lover boy method? No.

2:00:48Fr. AnaniasNo. There were, people... I just

2:00:52Phantom (caller)you... It's

2:00:53Fr. Ananiassomething shark.

2:00:54Jay DyerBut Low shark?

2:00:55Fr. AnaniasNo. Like, they would... Either they were, like, guys or they were just some scam artist girl that basically Fishing? Would,

2:01:03Jay Dyerlike,

2:01:04Jay Dyerfishing. Catfishing.

2:01:05Fr. AnaniasCatfishing. Yeah. Sharks. Going something.

2:01:09Speaker 5Catsharking.

2:01:10Fr. AnaniasWhat are those names in the ocean things?

2:01:13Jay DyerMollusks.

2:01:15Speaker 5Anyway SpongeBob.

2:01:18Speaker 6Mollusky.

2:01:19Jay DyerNo. Spongebobbing.

2:01:21Jay DyerShe

2:01:21Fr. Ananiasshould've done that. She should've just wiped them out financially.

2:01:26Jay DyerAnd He didn't have any money. According to David Raleigh, he doesn't have any money. He's just a crazy person. Aris, what's up, man?

2:01:32Jay DyerThat's funny.

2:01:35Speaker 5Dasha, what what would you do if Dasha gave birth to brother Nathaniel?

2:01:39Jay DyerChild? Wouldn't that be

2:01:40Jay Dyercrazy?

2:01:42Jay DyerIllegitimate.

2:01:43Speaker 5Brother Nathaniel's child. R s on mute, a r I s?

2:01:49Speaker 5Alright.

2:01:50Jay DyerI don't know why you waited that whole time.

2:01:52Speaker 6I love how I get my

2:01:53Speaker 14idioms

2:01:54Fr. Ananiasmixed up. It's like Avalon Shark, something like catfish,

2:01:57Jay Dyermollusk and

2:01:58Jay DyerWillie, what's up, man?

2:02:02Jay DyerHey.

2:02:03Speaker 16What's up, Jay? How are you?

2:02:05Speaker 15Good, man. What's up?

2:02:07Jay DyerYeah.

2:02:08Speaker 14So,

2:02:10Fr. AnaniasI was first very skeptic about this, like,

2:02:14Speaker 16media mojia narrative.

2:02:16Jay DyerMedia mojia? What me what medium mafia is?

2:02:19Speaker 6So... Oh, yeah.

2:02:20Fr. AnaniasIt's, like, a translation from my language, but

2:02:22Speaker 16that is that there is an organized

2:02:26Speaker 17incentive behind all the media, especially television,

2:02:30Speaker 17are pushing some kind of narrative, like a globalist narrative. I was very skeptic about this at first until eventually I watched some of your videos and actually saw it coming back to the media of The Netherlands.

2:02:44Jay DyerSo

2:02:45Speaker 17updated the eight piece on Orthodox Yeah. They asked a bunch

2:02:49Jay Dyerof

2:02:49Speaker 17Orthodox people in conference. Why have you converted? And they selectively clipped things out. Especially to make the church look bad. That was their first kind of attempt. And then the evangelical national state media television,

2:03:06Speaker 17posted a hit piece also twisting the words of priest that then later also said in the circus. Like, they twist... Totally twist my words. They said they were gonna come with this and this incentive, and they just turn it around

2:03:18Jay Dyerto being

2:03:18Jay DyerYeah. Of course. It's gonna be gonna be used for NATO propaganda, obviously.

2:03:21Speaker 17Exactly. And then two weeks later, guess what? Two weeks later, exact and two weeks later, they did it on another state television program. Also a hit piece. I wrote an email to them, and, normally, they're very responsive. Right, when you point out, like, a flaws in their research. Everybody that sent emails to them got completely ghosted. So this is, like, one of the worst cases we've had in our country regarding strange false information. Wow. They they won't even reply. To, like, well structured emails, letters, etcetera. It's it's it's

2:03:54Jay Dyerwild.

2:03:56Jay DyerYeah. I'm glad you... Well, I'm glad you saw it and noticed it. I mean, that's the norm. I mean, media is really just propaganda for the most part.

2:04:03Speaker 17Yeah. And what what is involved. Right? It's my my girlfriend, she she said, like, yes. Alright. I'm going to a wedding, and people asked at work what wedding, and they... And she said, no. This was, like, two days after this hit piece. Right? And they were, like, physically shocked. Like, how could she associate with that? Group, right, while she isn't even in the Russian like, in the Russian Ortho shirt. So it's it's crazy.

2:04:30Jay DyerIt's Yeah. It's such a stupid boomer conspiracy that, like, so there's no conspiracies, but then, oh, no. There is. Russia's running everything, and they got Trump elected, and they're running all the orthodox churches. They're all under this way of of Russia. Actually, in the West, most of orthodox churches are under the sway of the EP in the US state department. So, like, what are you talking about? It's crazy.

2:04:51Speaker 17And, like, adding on to that, so basically, my leeway question is, did this can be... If at least that's the theme for me. I'm a new fight. I'm a gone for it. Right? Where you so I'm still, like, a hot headed

2:05:05Speaker 17You know?

2:05:06DrewAnd

2:05:07Speaker 17my very first thought was, well, if we let this slide, if we let this go, this, like, entry into this propaganda also against the Orthodox church, where would it go to? Right? I'm not saying that I need some socialist type revolutionary mindset where I have to break... Everything needs to burn. I need to get sponsored by, like, some company or something.

2:05:27Speaker 16I mean, like,

2:05:28Speaker 17what action from you actually take

2:05:30Speaker 17to not let this go into some

2:05:32Speaker 5Well, remember that.

2:05:33Jay DyerLook. This What are

2:05:36Speaker 5the actions?

2:05:37Jay DyerI mean, the Orthodox Church has been persecuted for two thousand years. So that's actually the norm. So I wouldn't worry about it because we're gonna be persecuted, and we don't have to

2:05:51Jay Dyerfigure out some political revolution. Would say, you know, you have a duty to vote for, you know, non Marxist socialist

2:05:58Speaker 5candidates if you have that possibility, not that voting really even does that much But I think you have a duty to support the best options for Christianity as a Saint Paisios, fellow deacon that said, you know,

2:06:11Speaker 5the best bet is to support whoever's best for the church. Yes. Yeah. So, I mean, you could go by those kinds of principles, but, you know, if

2:06:18Speaker 15you do feel

2:06:19Speaker 5called to political life, then, you know, go for it. I mean, my buddy just got elected the mayor here. We're the first as far as I'm aware, Orthodox mayor in in

2:06:28Jay Dyerhistory of Tennessee. So my godfather is running for congress. He wants to be the first orthodox congressperson. So those are actions that you could take.

2:06:40Speaker 5Revolution... Will

2:06:41Jay Dyerpresent

2:06:42Fr. Ananiasany conflict with you being the

2:06:44Speaker 17emperor of

2:06:44Fr. Ananiashis

2:06:46Jay DyerWe'll take care of that down the road. We'll worry about that one.

2:06:50Speaker 5But

2:06:53Speaker 5I mean, revolutions are stupid. The

2:06:56Speaker 5it's only... The only people that believe in revolutions are idiot teenagers and, like, 60 year old degenerate professors. Like, that's it. Everybody else knows that

2:07:05Jay Dyerrevolutions are retarded. They don't actually do anything.

2:07:09Speaker 5Make the the situations worse when you try to do some kind of big political revolution.

2:07:13Fr. AnaniasI think, you know, our... Jose... Our friend Jose Miguel on, COTEL's channel that comes on there. I think he had a good point too that no revolutions really even take off unless they're funded by

2:07:30Jay Dyerelites?

2:07:31Fr. AnaniasLike

2:07:32Jay DyerYeah. Well, I

2:07:32Speaker 17mean, there... There's a

2:07:33Fr. Ananiasroots of revolution.

2:07:35Jay DyerNever works. Yeah. There... There's a famous quote from Spengler that there's never been a socialist revolution that didn't have a mega capitalist behind it.

2:07:47Speaker 5Yeah. That's a great point. Again, like, people are tempted with or they... You know, when you're young, you don't understand how the world really works and you get you know, radicalized by professors and people that you think are smart and the pop culture influences you, and you think that you're gonna be

2:08:02Jay Dyersome Marxist or some anarcho revolutionary person or whatever

2:08:07Speaker 5nonsense you believe. Then you get older and you realize it's all retarded. Revolutions are funded by power blocks and power elites, They're not actually for the purposes that the dumb revolutionaries believe. They're tools. They're dupes. So when you get older, you realize that do a

2:08:24Speaker 17a movie review

2:08:26Fr. Ananiasa recent Leonardo Cappado film, How It All Ends.

2:08:29Jay DyerNo. But I remember everybody talking about it like it was, like, Marxist revolutionary type stuff.

2:08:34Fr. AnaniasOh, yeah. Totally. And it was

2:08:36Jay Dyerreally

2:08:38Fr. Ananiasit was interesting. It came out right

2:08:41Fr. Ananiasbefore something had actually happened. Oh, it came out actually when all the anti eye stuff was, like, kicking up and

2:08:50Jay Dyerthen...

2:08:50Fr. AnaniasBut what you see in there is that know, basically, they're paid for, and they're they're in... They've infiltrated, like, all kind of you know, whether it's the police department, the bank, and stuff that, and they're all kind of, oh, I remember.

2:09:10Fr. AnaniasI remember what I figured out. So remember when they were doing the anti ice stuff, and, Jane Goody and stuff like... Well, they found the text with, like, they had... We we found text with all these groups. Basically. Like, oh, meet here and do this. And

2:09:27Speaker 5it's Yeah. They're astroturfed.

2:09:30Speaker 17Yeah. It is

2:09:30Fr. Ananiashighly coordinated. They're all on these kind of, like, text. Anyways, the... How it all ends is is basically that. And it's it's totally astroturbed because, you know, I was just telling my students I'm like, all this stuff is fake and gay, guys. So I'm like, there's no... Unless everybody's getting a paycheck, but, like, this stuff is all heavily funded and organized. It's not you coming up with, I got a great original idea, and I'm on the right side of history. That's not how it works. That's a stupid, naive,

2:10:02Fr. Ananiasway of... It's all planned. And as mom and Thompson, it's all manufactured. Your beliefs, your political beliefs, and everything that you think you're revolting against is all manufactured. And it's like the the movie Under the Silver Lake, right, where that kind of devil character character where he's basically telling him, he's like, you know, you rock

2:10:23Jay DyerYeah.

2:10:23Speaker 5He wrote all the pop songs.

2:10:25Speaker 6He's

2:10:25Fr. Ananiaslike, I did it. I organized it all. It's

2:10:27Jay Dyernot

2:10:28Fr. Ananiasyou know, you're not having a a counter or culture revolution I wrote your counterculture. I give the CIA total credit for

2:10:38Jay DyerYeah.

2:10:38Fr. AnaniasSponsoring the psychedelic revolution.

2:10:41Speaker 16Right?

2:10:42Fr. AnaniasI mean, it's just... But you're right. When you're young, you're naive, you don't realize how this stuff works.

2:10:47Jay DyerYeah. For those that are new to the subject, you know, younger people and others, ten years ago, I learned about this from Ephaly Mingdall's excellent book, Full Spectrum Dominance. He was the first person who... He was on, of course, Lord Voldemort a whole bunch, I listened

2:11:00Speaker 5to his interviews, and then I started reading his books. And he, you know, hipped

2:11:03Jay Dyerme to actually, more than ten years ago. This... That's just when I made a video when I finally interviewed him. But I learned about his stuff maybe fifteen years ago,

2:11:10Speaker 5and, you know, he hit me to color revolutions and soft power and what all that is and how the Rand Corporation studied this stuff from the nineteen sixties in terms of the student riots, and they were

2:11:22Jay Dyeryou know, the Chicago student riots and the California student riots, that was all

2:11:25Speaker 5studied by RAND Corporation to understand swarming and swarming techniques for revolutionary mobs, how to engineer, control, steer mobs. That all got funneled into Arab Spring. That was all run by Twitter.

2:11:40Speaker 5And Google. So they were experimenting with doing that.

2:11:44Speaker 5In the, you know, two point o version. So student rights two point o for regime change, etcetera.

2:11:51Speaker 5This is the Jean Sharp Einstein Institute model of soft power regime change through, quote, democratic action And that's what they do in the post Cold War countries. The Baltic, you know, Soviet satellite countries was they sponsored Brezinski

2:12:10Jay Dyerand others. And Soros was a big player in that. He brags about it. Because he was working with the CIA in the nineteen eighties with the Reagan administration to sponsor the color revolutions and perfect that technique. Orange revolution in Ukraine, Rose Revolution, Otpor, I think it was Serbia, and Otpor is the name of the color revolution there. It's the same technique that they've used. They tried years ago under Ahmadinejad, the green revolution in Iran,

2:12:37Speaker 5So when you see color revolution, are all CIA

2:12:41Jay Dyerstrategies. Like, it's it's not even... It's all well known. Like, I'm not trying to be a dickhead. I'm just saying, like, this is like, obvious stuff. Right? And if you want a book on it, read Full Spectrum Dominance from Engle because that's what that whole book is about. So

2:13:02Jay DyerCJ says for $5, can you comment on megachurch pastor Philip Anthony Mitchell calling orthodoxy false doctrine.

2:13:11Jay DyerI mean, guys,

2:13:13Jay DyerI'm not trying to be rude. It's just like

2:13:16Jay DyerI've heard Protestant pastors call anything associated with church history false doctrine for twenty five years. So, I mean,

2:13:27Speaker 17we're gonna be arguing with Jesus on judgment day.

2:13:30Fr. AnaniasAccusing him of false doctrine, guys. So

2:13:33Jay DyerI'm not knocking the comment from CJ.

2:13:35Speaker 5I appreciate it. I'm just saying,

2:13:36Jay Dyerlike, every time a Protestant makes a comment about why they don't believe orthodoxy, someone says, are you going to respond to Protestant x y z? And, like, how many times we have to? Like, what what even needs to be said? I guarantee you it's gonna be the most low tier nonsense. But that's why we created playlists like just

2:13:56Speaker 5go in the playlist. By the way, there's, like, a million clips channels

2:14:00Speaker 5that have at least 10 clips. Now of every potential topic that I've ever talked about. So I'm not being a a douchebag. I'm just saying like, we don't have to reply to every Protestant. It's like years ago, like four or five years ago, there was like, when are you gonna debate Protestant x y z? Well, now they don't even wanna debate. So

2:14:21Speaker 5just bide your time. They'll keep losing members and they'll have... They'll be forced to debate. I feel like David Wood was kinda just forced to debate.

2:14:34Jay DyerEnraptured West

2:14:35Speaker 5says, that's funny. You brought up why we

2:14:38Speaker 5even have books, but I finalized

2:14:41Speaker 5my order for Jamie's weird stuff and your metanarratives. We have

2:14:45Speaker 5books to learn.

2:14:47Speaker 5No no one on the fly edits and changes them.

2:14:50Speaker 5God bless you, Jay and Jamie. No. I I understand that

2:14:53Speaker 5for my audience, books are essential. We're all about books. I'm just saying in general, like, I mean, books... We're going into, Fahrenheit four fifty

2:15:04Jay Dyerone.

2:15:04Speaker 5Mean, people don't even read books. Do you remember when Cotel did the stats on, like, college students and high school students? Like, they don't even read anything. Half of them can't even read. 60% can't read.

2:15:17Speaker 5So

2:15:19Speaker 5books are gonna be for this audience. Chris, $5. I watched many of your debates. Against various ideologies. What do you think are the top most annoying of the five ideologies to... I mean, I don't even know if I could list five. Because the most annoying

2:15:40Jay DyerThomist's probably number one.

2:15:46Jay DyerWeird fundamentalist like that independent fundamentalist Baptist guy was really annoying.

2:15:51Speaker 5I mean, some of the cults are annoying, but they're also really funny and entertaining So, like, Captain Crock Rock is super annoying, but, like, it's also really funny and entertaining to

2:16:01Jay Dyerthose debates with those crazy cults.

2:16:08Jay DyerI would say outside of, like, those those type of annoying cults, Pretty much all the other ones are just all kind of the same.

2:16:18Speaker 5Alexander Rogers, what's up, dog?

2:16:26DrewHey, AJ. How are doing, sir?

2:16:28Jay DyerGood. What's up, man?

2:16:29DrewOh, nothing. Just wanted to say keep up the great work, man. I know you get a lot of, shit

2:16:33Drewon social media all the time, but, honestly, my parish is overflowing with catechumens right now, and they all love you.

2:16:40Fr. AnaniasSo I just wanna

2:16:41Speaker 16you know? Well, please do that.

2:16:43DrewYeah. The second, is it? The second person in, what, two months is actually the sponsor is chrismation. So, like, we have... Honestly, we're, like, thinking of expanding the parking in our, parish just because we have so many people coming

2:16:58Jay Dyerin. Every every every Orthodox church is not, like, super lib says the same thing.

2:17:04DrewYeah. We're, like, overflowing. It's to the point where if we get, like, you know, 25 or 30 more catechumens, we might need to talk about.

2:17:09Jay DyerYeah.

2:17:10DrewBuilding a different parish or Awesome. How to accommodate them because we're overflowing. But, hey, I have a question. When are you debating Dinesh again?

2:17:18Speaker 5I don't know if that's gonna happen because initially, it was gonna be

2:17:24Speaker 5a in person debate, but Dinesh asked for large amounts of money and debate moderate modern day debate was saying they don't know if they could even sell enough tickets to another

2:17:39Jay DyerDinesh debate because he's not even a a big draw.

2:17:43Speaker 5So they were like, would you be cool to do an online debate And I'm like, yeah. I don't even think

2:17:48Jay Dyerit's worth doing an in person debate with Athanasius because I mean, look at his following count... His following,

2:17:54Speaker 5and I don't... Like, he gets, almost no interaction for That's a bot. For having five million almost

2:18:00Jay Dyersubscribers, and it's like, it's all bots. It's all fake. Mhmm. And

2:18:04Speaker 5he didn't even listen... He didn't even perk up his attention and

2:18:08Jay Dyerpeople started talking about money. So I don't think he's... It's worth it. It's not even worth it.

2:18:12DrewYeah. He needs to get crushed into the ground, like, and and debate. I mean, obviously, guys. But he's having a vivid level crash out right now.

2:18:21Speaker 17You know I'm

2:18:22Jay Dyerthat.

2:18:22Speaker 17I saw

2:18:23Jay Dyerthat. I actually I

2:18:24Speaker 5actually unfollowed

2:18:24Jay Dyerhim because I

2:18:25Speaker 17was sick

2:18:25Jay Dyerof him.

2:18:26DrewYeah. He's... It's disgusting, the things he's doing. Like, he's literally doxing, like, a 10 year old kid. Like, oh, this is this kid's name. This is where he's from.

2:18:34Jay DyerThis is

2:18:34Speaker 15Yeah. That makes me not even

2:18:35Jay Dyerwanna

2:18:35Jay Dyerhave any... I don't even want anything to do with that dude.

2:18:37DrewYeah. He's disgusting. And then he's like, oh, by the way, guys, like, oh, Vivek can't lift them lift them because the kids fat as well. Like, he's just a gross human being. And he slides by because, again, he, like, plays to that

2:18:52Speaker 16boomer kinda

2:18:53Jay DyerHe plays to boomer conservative evangelical retards.

2:18:57DrewYeah. It's absolutely disgusting. I wasn't sure if your debate was still on with him because, honestly, the guy just needs to be publicly embarrassed.

2:19:03Jay DyerYeah. But, I mean, it's not even worth debating him because it's just

2:19:07Speaker 5only way... He'll only do it if you pay him money that it's not worth. But appreciate that call, dude. High Plains grifters says for $20 from the last stream. I missed this. Bishop t d Jake's is also known as t Diddy. I didn't even know about the t d Jake scandals. Not that I'm at all surprised, but I didn't even know.

2:19:27Jay DyerThat TD Jakes was, like, finally outed as, like, a Diddy as... Bot b f... Bot body with Diddy. Like,

2:19:38Jay Dyerand then somebody somebody posted a... There was a YouTube reel of him checking out a a black male gay stripper's booty. Like Candice checking out that white chick's butt. That's video that went everywhere. I mean, it's almost like

2:19:57Speaker 5aside from people in our circles that we know, like, you're gay if you're in public. If you're in the public,

2:20:08Jay Dyerpurview and you've got millions of followers, you're gay and until proven straight, I think, is a better strategy. We need to adopt this for where we are in society. Forget all of this guilty... Like, innocence of proving Like, you're gay until

2:20:23Jay Dyerproven straight. I'm talking about for, like, the big people, not for, like, you

2:20:27Speaker 15know,

2:20:27Jay Dyersmaller creators because the system doesn't care about smaller creators. They really just care about

2:20:33Speaker 5the, quote, influencers, you know, the people that, like, the Candace and the TD Jakes and the Benny... Like, the if you're up in the millions, then the system takes notice of

2:20:42Jay Dyeryou. They care. Right?

2:20:45Speaker 5Until you hit that kind of tier, they don't really care. But

2:20:51Jay Dyerthink we need to adopt gay until proven straight. That's our new strategy for filtering out media phonies.

2:20:58Speaker 5Trap. What's up?

2:21:07Jay DyerUnmute.

2:21:08Jay DyerTrap, unmute.

2:21:10Phantom (caller)Hey. What's

2:21:11Speaker 14going on, Jay?

2:21:11Speaker 15How are doing, Good. What's going on,

2:21:13Speaker 16Hey. So so

2:21:16Phantom (caller)I'm still learning a

2:21:17Speaker 16lot about

2:21:19Speaker 17the faith and everything like that. Me too. I was

2:21:21Speaker 16born was born pretty much in the church. I grew up Protestant Baptist.

2:21:26Fr. AnaniasI'm I'm... I made aware that you are Orthodox. Is that correct?

2:21:31Speaker 14Yeah.

2:21:32Speaker 16Okay. So I I just had a a few questions for you.

2:21:37Speaker 14So

2:21:38Speaker 16as far as orthodox and Protestant goes, I think I think we pretty much agree on almost everything with the exception of

2:21:47Speaker 16federation of the saints. I know that Orthodox, Christians tend to, venerate these saints to a level that, you know, us Protestants would say are

2:21:58Speaker 17heretical. But but what do you think? What's your what's your belief?

2:22:02Fr. AnaniasWe don't even have the same Jesus.

2:22:03Speaker 17Yeah.

2:22:04Jay DyerI mean,

2:22:05Jay DyerOf course. We we believe in if we believe in the intercession of the saints and relics and we venerate saints, yes.

2:22:13DrewElaborate. Elaborate.

2:22:16Jay DyerWhat? You asked what the... Do we believe that? The answer is yes. We believe

2:22:19Speaker 15that.

2:22:20DrewYeah. We believe that, but there's

2:22:22Fr. Ananiasa more differences too. Like, who Jesus is, Every Protestant holds to some form of some form of penal substitution or atonement. So that means every Protestant is

2:22:37Fr. Ananiaseither a Nestorian or Anti Trinitarian. Implicitly. So I'd say we don't even worship the same god like you have a different Jesus.

2:22:48Speaker 16Really? Okay. So I I I gotta know. So as far as different Jesus, like,

2:22:53Trapyou mean? Like, what... Are we talking about a biblical Jesus? Or Well, like I'm saying,

2:22:57Fr. Ananiaswhen you talk to a more do you think that you are talking about the same Jesus? I would say

2:23:04Trapyes, but not not to the extent that you mean. They they may they may see Jesus, the biblical Jesus, as the real thing, but they essentially accuse him of being a liar by believing anything Joseph Smith says in his book.

2:23:20Speaker 5Basically. How could it be the same Jesus if

2:23:22Jay Dyerit's not a divine person? If it's a... He's a created man who is... Who who became... I'm talking about God the father is a man who became a god. How could it be the same god? That's not God the father.

2:23:35TrapAlright. Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing about that. Wow. This is about to be a rabbit hole. The thing about it is is that, Mormons if I'm not mistaken, Mormons will accept the biblical depiction of Jesus, but then they'll also take whatever Joseph Smith says in his book No. And it says That's not the truth. Bro,

2:23:54Jay Dyerthat's not slow slow down. That's not what I said. I said, God the father is a man

2:24:00Speaker 5with a body who became a god and still has a physical body. So that's not god the father. So how is it the same god when if you read the Nicene Creed, it says, I believe in one God the father.

2:24:12TrapOkay. I I think I see what you're saying. Okay. So so now let me get this straight. So in in Orthodox, you guys are anti Tridentineism, Or you Oh my god.

2:24:21Speaker 17Pro...

2:24:21Jay DyerNo. We're Tridentineists. On, man.

2:24:23Phantom (caller)And what I'm saying is Protestant

2:24:25Fr. Ananiasism leads to either Nestorianism or Anti Trinitarianism. You have a different god.

2:24:31TrapI see what you're saying. Okay. Got it. Got it. So, I...

2:24:34Speaker 14I'm curious

2:24:34Trapto know why why you think that. I mean, I've I've grown up in the church my whole life. I've always been Tridentine. And I don't understand why

2:24:40Speaker 15It's a wrong Trinity

2:24:41Jay Dyerjust like the Mormons have the wrong Jesus and the wrong God the father. So the... It's not... It's the theology behind it, not the word. You can have the right word. I mean, I... What if I say, I believe there's one god. Do we have the same position because we believe in one god? But when I say, but my god is Satan.

2:24:58Speaker 5Well, but we leave... We we all believe in one god. Is it the same?

2:25:02TrapOkay. Gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, you're right. You're right. So it... It's not the same. However however, you guys say that

2:25:10Trapprotestants, protestants, believe in a different god. So

2:25:15Jay Dyerlet's

2:25:16Trapsay, for example,

2:25:16Jay DyerI'm I'm I'm

2:25:17TrapProtestant, but I that, okay, I believe in the biblical account of Jesus. I believe that he is one god existing in three different persons. Do we agree on that? As a Orthodox

2:25:29Phantom (caller)and Protestant?

2:25:30Jay DyerYeah. But that's not all there is to it. Right? So all Protestantism, for example, believes in again, doctrines that are incompatible with traditional Christianity. They believe in the doctrine of penal substitutionary atonement. They believe in the doctrine of the filioque. I mean, things are doctrines that cut out the actual true orthodox trinity.

2:25:50TrapOkay. Okay. Interesting. Interesting. Okay. So now now let me ask you this.

2:25:54Speaker 5Well, look. I appreciate it, man, but

2:25:55Jay Dyergo go check out some of my older videos, and then you can come with those questions because those are kinda questions that we've addressed. I'm not being mean, but we've addressed those for ten years. So I would say check-in some on some of the older then come back when you learned a little bit about that, and then we can address the next level of questions.

2:26:13Speaker 5Zap, what's up?

2:26:18Jay DyerGuys, remember I've got

2:26:20Speaker 5vast archives of all of that information on the channel. There's

2:26:24Jay Dyerthe zillion clips channels putting out every day, clips about every subject. So if you have a question about PSA, if you type in

2:26:31Speaker 5penal substitutionary atonement j Dyer or j Dyer you will get literally dozens and dozens of clips that address all of those questions. Many of them the same information over and over. I'm not trying to be rude. It's just we've addressed it incessantly in thousands of video. Almost 2,000 videos, guys, on the channel. So, Zach, what's up?

2:26:55DrewHey, Jay. It's Braden. It was a

2:26:57Speaker 19good seeing you at the conference and everything. I wanna talk about... I'm glad you've mentioned PSA earlier that,

2:27:03Speaker 19I heard that you've been in contact with my, friend, doctor Daniel Canty, and I'm glad you brought a PSA because

2:27:10Speaker 19I don't know if you know from talking to him, but he has a PhD in August Augustinian reformed theology.

2:27:15Speaker 19And he has, and I've been wanting to get him in contact with you for a while. He has some really great

2:27:22Speaker 19several theses and argument points against, you know, Protestantism and Latin scholasticism that I think you would you would find really useful. And then he and and he even talked about that he worked through the Augustinian history from Luther all the way back to Augustine and realized that you know, reformed theology and, you know, the medieval scholastics are incompatible with

2:27:48Speaker 19apostolic tradition. I mean Like, one thing is he talks about is, I think I've heard you make this point too that when the biggest thing, like, to pinpoint down, like, on Luther and the Protestants is how they like to go on a dialectic of faith and works, but where you really pin them down is how they their concept of the dialectic between law and freedom and that he makes in one of his theses is that

2:28:11Speaker 19Luther ultimately has a Marcian eye view of grace and how he contrasts, you know, the law of the of the Old Testament.

2:28:20Jay DyerYeah. Been

2:28:21Speaker 17saying

2:28:21Jay Dyerthat he

2:28:21Jay Dyersays he wanted to put... He wants

2:28:22Speaker 5to punch out Moses' teeth, and

2:28:24Jay Dyersays whatever preaches law does not preach gospel.

2:28:27Jay DyerYeah.

2:28:29Speaker 19And he wants to... He's trying to he was at the conference there, and he's trying to build enough traction because he lives near Nashville that he wants to publicly challenge Origen who's in Nashville with with his thesis that he thinks, know, or... Ordland doesn't have ground to stand on it. But, yeah, I'd I'd encourage you to talk to him more and stuff because I think,

2:28:48Speaker 14you know,

2:28:48Speaker 19especially with, his... Because, yeah, he has a PhD in reformed and Augustine theology from Yale. So he's really studied this stuff and that... And, he could really know, with the really trying to push the PSA nonsense that he could really, like Good.

2:29:03Speaker 5Did he... I I don't know if I have met him.

2:29:06Jay DyerI did, I don't recall. Did he do a podcast with, like, Alex Horn or somebody recently?

2:29:12Speaker 19He

2:29:13Jay Dyerwas on

2:29:14Speaker 19he was on David Patrick Harry show,

2:29:16Jay Dyerand he Co tell.

2:29:17Speaker 15That's it.

2:29:17Jay DyerYep.

2:29:18Speaker 19He talked a lot about about this thesis too and that, yeah, that

2:29:23Speaker 19talks about how the problem in, both Roman Catholicism Protestantism, that is it in orthodoxy, is, you know, you have this dire dialectic that the medieval scholastics of the tyrannical law that, you know, for the law to be just, you know, you have to limit freedom and grace and mercy. And then Luther thought, you know, the way to achieve grace is that you had to be freed from the law. And, like, his whole point is that he realized through studying Luther and the medieval scholastics and reasoning all the way back to Augustine that

2:29:56Speaker 19that the only tenable point is orthodoxy. That in orthodoxy, there is no distinction but these categories. The law is birthable. It

2:30:02Jay Dyeris gracious. Exactly.

2:30:04Speaker 19It is freeing. And, like, his whole point, he did... He didn't really talk about PSA directly, but you could get the gist from his interview with COTEL that what he makes the point about how PSA, if you really go through the concepts of the medieval scholastics and the reformers,

2:30:21Speaker 19is completely incompatible with orthodox soteriology. Yes. Absolutely. It falls into the dialectics between, you know, you know, law and freedom, you know, justice and mercy. And that stuff just doesn't exist in orthodoxy. So, yeah, you remember he's a

2:30:38Speaker 19he's friends with Dean Arnold. Like, remember his wife, Pelagia, was who had that that that land, near Chattanooga that they were developing in

2:30:47Phantom (caller)Ohio. Yeah. Yeah.

2:30:49Jay DyerBut Yeah. I didn't I didn't know he was friends with Dean, and I don't know if I have met him, but I appreciate you calling that to my attention. I did watch some of this co tell stream. I just forgot about it. So this was a couple of months

2:31:00Speaker 5ago. Guys, I'm gonna give you the link right here. Another great resource for yeah, you know, refuting the, Latinizing goofballs. Don't even know what Protestant theology is. All of us that were in Protestant Calvinist theology for years, like, we left it for a reason. Like, it's not like we don't like we don't know what they taught.

2:31:18Jay DyerCome on. It's ridiculous. But I'm glad to see that there's an academic who's also been in that tradition too.

2:31:25Speaker 19Yeah. And, like, that's why I think it'd be good for you to work with him because, you

2:31:28Trapknow,

2:31:29Speaker 19he's

2:31:29Speaker 14read

2:31:30Speaker 19the reformers and Right. And Augustinian theology more than any of these Latinizers combined, and he doesn't... He doesn't he doesn't follow it. And so he could, you know, he could run, you know, laps around these guys. Yeah.

2:31:42Jay DyerYeah. Perfect. Thanks, man. Appreciate that,

2:31:44Jay DyerBraden.

2:31:45Jay DyerHope you're doing well. Appreciate you calling in.

2:31:48Jay DyerDefinitely need to talk to doctor Canty. Yeah. I I remember this popping up on, and, I thought it looked really good. And I watched a little bit of it, I don't know that I've actually... I don't think I've met him, but he sounds like a great dude.

2:32:01Speaker 5The fish, what's up? And I put that link the chat for you guys too if you wanna watch that. The fish,

2:32:06Speaker 15what's up?

2:32:14Jay DyerHello? Mhmm.

2:32:16Speaker 17Yeah. So as

2:32:19TrapI've kind of understood the

2:32:23Speaker 17Muslim dilemma. I've been

2:32:26Speaker 20watching videos about it and everything. And

2:32:29Jay DyerAre you you... Are you

2:32:31Speaker 5Muslim? You

2:32:31Jay Dyerfinally understood it. What do you mean?

2:32:33Speaker 20No. No. I I I have been Orthodox for a while, but Oh. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I just I just kinda have to hear a few times before I

2:32:42Speaker 17Okay.

2:32:42Speaker 20Finally, you know, have it as a part of me.

2:32:45Speaker 14Okay.

2:32:46Speaker 20But the one thing that I get stuck on is that you have to refer to how there were scriptures, like bible

2:32:56Speaker 17scriptures,

2:32:57Speaker 20existed before the Quran. And so my question is, how do we know that those scriptures are are from from before the year 600?

2:33:09Jay DyerIt's not even disputed. There's no... There are no scholars, even the most

2:33:13Speaker 5liberal, that will date the Torah or the gospels or the epistles before or after the

2:33:20Jay Dyeryear 600? What do you mean?

2:33:23Speaker 20Because a claim that, like, there are you know, parts of scripture or maybe full gospels

2:33:30Speaker 20found, you know, even within Arabia? Because the whole point is that

2:33:35Speaker 20it it it would... Like, how could have people

2:33:38Speaker 5Well, you understand that what the Quran cites comes from.

2:33:41Speaker 5The text that we possess, which are

2:33:44Jay Dyerthe Torah and the gospel and the epistles that everybody knows as the bible.

2:33:49Speaker 5Like, sections and sentences, entire chapters, copied and pasted.

2:33:54Jay DyerSo it doesn't really matter whether there's some random unknown weird text floating around Arabia. What's in the Quran and the hadiths is literally from text from the ancient Hebrews and from the first, second, third, fourth century of Christianity?

2:34:11Speaker 20What what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to steel man the Muslim position. Right?

2:34:16Jay DyerOkay. But you're you're I mean, I'm not trying to be rude, but, like, it's not even that complex of an argument. So I don't understand what you're trying to say. Are you trying to go with their argument that, no, we're not talking about the Christian scriptures. We're talking about text that only existed in the

2:34:32Speaker 5century in

2:34:32Jay DyerArabia.

2:34:33Speaker 5How were all of the Christians supposed to check the claims against an Arabic text that they can't read? It makes no sense.

2:34:42Speaker 20What I'm trying to say is a Muslim might say, oh, I don't believe in, I don't know, radiocarbon dating. I'm already

2:34:50Jay DyerNobody even argue from radio. What are you talking about? There was no claim about radiocarbon dating.

2:34:55Jay DyerHow

2:34:55Speaker 20how

2:34:56Speaker 19is it that we

2:34:56Speaker 20know? How do those scholars, like, said, even the most liberal scholars,

2:35:00Speaker 5what Do you understand we have church fathers from the first, second, and third century who have extensive citations of the gospels of their day? So one way to easily see this

2:35:09Jay Dyeris that I can read Irenaeus'

2:35:11Speaker 5Against Heresies in one eighty. It's a six, 700 page book, which has countless gospel citations. That's one way to just see that

2:35:19Jay Dyerthe gospel texts

2:35:20Speaker 5and the epistles and the Bible text of his day were were were remarkably preserved. So those texts are in just in one example amongst... I've got a church fathers set up here of 10,000 pages of the first two or three centuries pre Nicaea. So just those alone show you the veracity of the text. That's not even talking about the textual traditions Codex Vaticanus, Codex Sinaiticus, like all these different codices, no one dates them after the year six hundred. They're all pre 600.

2:35:53Speaker 20My question is how do they how do they... The first the first example is is good. Like, that's useful for me. But like, Codex, Vaticanon, for example, like, how do they know that that's dated before the s 600?

2:36:05Speaker 5Because they're cited by people in the times that I'm talking about, in the first six centuries.

2:36:10Speaker 20Okay. Okay. So it's reliant on on these references. Around it.

2:36:15Speaker 20Around these codices.

2:36:17Speaker 5That's just one example. It's not the only example.

2:36:20Speaker 20Okay. Okay. No. That that was that was that was that was my only question. Yeah.

2:36:23Speaker 15I'm not trying

2:36:24Jay Dyerto be mean. I'm just saying, like,

2:36:25Speaker 5it's it's... People make this

2:36:28Jay Dyerargument like way more... It's a very simple argument. Like, it's not I don't understand you're trying to steal, man, what Muslims would say.

2:36:35Speaker 5I've heard all the Muslim responses, and, like, what they say is just idiotic because they're not even aware of, like, basic textual histories. I'm not a textual critic. I don't even but you don't have to be to know that

2:36:47Speaker 5like,

2:36:48Speaker 5you know, these textual traditions, nobody dates them after 600. I mean,

2:36:54Jay Dyerlike, the Christians of the

2:36:58Jay Dyerfourth, fifth, sixth century had, for the most part,

2:37:02Speaker 5largely the working Bibles that we have. There's minor differences in tech... In canonical lists, but they're using the Bibles like we have today as bibles. You can go read the church fathers listing the canon of scripture.

2:37:15Speaker 5Or what they thought was canons.

2:37:17Speaker 6Right?

2:37:17Jay DyerWhether

2:37:18Speaker 5canon of the bible in the council of Rome in the West or whether it's the eastern, apostolic canons listing the canon for the eastern church. By the fourth century, most Christians had loosely pretty much the same canon. So when Muslims act like

2:37:35Speaker 5there wasn't this vast textual tradition both amongst Jews and Christians. It's just stupid. Like, they don't even know they don't know anything. They're just repeating idiotic Muslim pro... Islamic propaganda. They don't know anything. And they just repeat what liberal scholars say, which stuff that's not even relevant to what this argument is. Like, even if all the texts of the bible were corrupted,

2:38:00Speaker 5that's an even worse position for the Muslims because the Muslim texts hadiths and Quran, point you to the Christian and Jewish scriptures constantly. And so if they're gonna have an explanation of, oh, well, that's not the Bible's that existed or the Torahs that existed for centuries prior to Muhammad. That's some obscure text in Arabia.

2:38:22Speaker 5That's a dumb answer. It doesn't work because the injunction is that the listeners to Muhammad should go... The Christians and Jews can go to the previous text the previous scriptures to test Muhammad's claims.

2:38:37Speaker 5How are they going to test it

2:38:39Speaker 5if it's an Arabic obscure text that nobody knows about and no nobody can go read.

2:38:45Speaker 5The Christians and the Jews don't speak Arabic. They can't go read some random Arabic text. It's dumb.

2:38:54Speaker 5I'm not mad at you. I'm just like, people get all caught up. Like, these are just stupid arguments.

2:38:58Speaker 15JJ, what's up?

2:39:00Speaker 5It's Nico level stuff, dude.

2:39:09Speaker 15Go ahead.

2:39:10Jay DyerYo. What's up, Jay?

2:39:12Speaker 15What's up?

2:39:14Speaker 14So, I was

2:39:15Speaker 17talking to a

2:39:16Speaker 19friend of mine.

2:39:16Jay DyerHe lives

2:39:17Speaker 20in Europe.

2:39:18Speaker 19And, I mean, even even though he's Catholic, he's pretty trad, pretty based. And we were thinking about,

2:39:22Jay Dyerlike,

2:39:24Speaker 19places to live off, like, for retirement. Because, like, he lives in France and, like, Paris. Pretty gay, pretty shit where he's at least. And we were talking about... He's saying that, like, been seeing a lot of, like, propaganda for, like, Eastern Europe, specifically Poland. And he said that even though there's, like, a bit of, like, like, too much hype, like, it is, like, probably the best place you're gonna get, like, Eastern Europe. I would've thought it's not

2:39:49Jay DyerI don't know. I've never been to Eastern Europe. I don't know anything about the layout. I don't mean, I'm not trying to be... I just don't know anything about to tell people to move. They wanna be expats or whatever.

2:40:02Jay DyerMean, you guys would know more about that than me. J Rome, what's up? Mean, I wouldn't wanna be in a NATO country. I know that. But

2:40:11Jay DyerI don't I don't know, man. I've I've never been. I've been to Italy and that's it. Jerome, what's up? You wanna unmute?

2:40:23Speaker 5Jay Rome, unmute. Last chance.

2:40:30Jay DyerAsher?

2:40:37Jay DyerHello?

2:40:38Speaker 15What's up? Hey. What's going on, Jake?

2:40:41Jay DyerWhat's on your mind? Smoke.

2:40:43Fr. AnaniasYeah. Yeah. I have a question

2:40:44Speaker 15about

2:40:45Speaker 17orthodoxy

2:40:45Speaker 14and the salvation of it.

2:40:48Speaker 5The salvation of it?

2:40:49DrewThinking, like,

2:40:51Fr. Ananiasyeah. Like, salvation from the OrthoX perspective. Okay.

2:40:57DrewWhat about people that are in

2:40:58Jay Dyerjail?

2:40:58Fr. AnaniasThat can't, like, you know, attend the Orthodox Church? Or maybe they have a disadvantageous, like, position.

2:41:08Speaker 17I mean

2:41:09Speaker 6We have prison

2:41:10Jay DyerYeah. There are prison ministries, but, I mean, anybody can. My

2:41:13Jay Dyerdot...

2:41:13Fr. AnaniasMy godson... He does prison ministries, There's actually a parishioner up, not in my parish, but a parish I met in Mont father Russell witnessed to, and he converted.

2:41:28Speaker 17And

2:41:28Fr. Ananiashis life's going well and stuff. So, I mean, it's no different than anywhere else, and

2:41:36Jay DyerWell, I think you say, well, what about if there's not orthodox prison ministry? Well, I mean, look. God's gonna

2:41:41Speaker 5hold people accountable to the light that they're given, and

2:41:43Jay DyerI don't think that if you've never heard of orthodoxy and you just started reading the bible, I mean, I I think God is gracious and forgiving. And now we as

2:41:53Speaker 5orthodox are not gonna say, oh, well, then we automatically know they're orthodox. We leave that up to God. But we're not... You know, I don't think God's a miser. So

2:42:02Jay DyerI'm sure, yeah, God can reach people who are in prison but don't know about orthodox for sure. Friend... No. We did that.

2:42:10Jay DyerI think we tried that one earlier.

2:42:14Speaker 15Reese? What's up, man?

2:42:19Speaker 5Storm the cat says for $10. On September twenty fifth fifth, Taylor Swift released an album called Patient Zero, six years and six months and six days after the coup Yeah. I saw that. I mean,

2:42:33Jay Dyerthat could be coincidence, but I saw people saying

2:42:36Fr. AnaniasCheck on

2:42:37Speaker 20two.

2:42:37Speaker 15Yeah. Go ahead.

2:42:41Speaker 15Go ahead. Jay

2:42:42Jay DyerJay,

2:42:43Fr. Ananiasare you

2:42:43Speaker 5talking to Reese?

2:42:45Speaker 15Yep.

2:42:46Jay DyerYeah.

2:42:46TrapHey, man.

2:42:47Speaker 19Thanks for taking my

2:42:48Speaker 15call. Sure.

2:42:49Speaker 19Yeah. Thanks. I had a question about

2:42:53Drewdeath penalty, actually. So I was

2:42:57Speaker 19went to catechism and was chrismated in 2004 in the And I I at the time, I thought that the the orthodox physician on on the death penalty was was pretty cut and dry. I thought it was, like,

2:43:13Speaker 5Well, the OCA had on their website for a long time this

2:43:16Jay Dyerweird statement that we don't believe in the death penalty, which to me is silly.

2:43:22Speaker 19Well, I've I've listened to you a lot, and I've I've... I mean, I'm I'm questioning those things. Now I I didn't know that. But it was presented as though that is... Was universal orthodox

2:43:34Speaker 6It's

2:43:34Jay Dyernot universal. I mean, Russian church doesn't say that.

2:43:37Jay DyerRight.

2:43:38Speaker 19So I've listened to your videos a good bit, and I I know that I mean, I know that there's... Here's here's my... The core of my question. Why is there not consensus on this? What... That's that's what

2:43:48Speaker 5consensus don't read

2:43:50Jay Dyerchurch history. People don't read Justinian's laws. They don't know what the nomo canon is.

2:43:53Speaker 5Don't care what Byzantine teaching was. They don't care what the New Testament says. People are taught and indoctrinated in seminary, and a lot of times that was liberal seminaries. And then in the OCA especially, people are just expected to comply.

2:44:09DrewGotcha.

2:44:10Speaker 19I mean, I've... I wanna... It it was just presented so black and white, and I've... I mean, I was like, oh, okay. Orthodox shirt is, you know, pro

2:44:17Jay Dyerlife. I mean, it's still one of the reasons I didn't come into the Orthodox Church in two thousand seven and eight. Is because I was told it was cut and dry, and I'm like, you don't need... That's a denial of your own history. So and then... And back then, when you would say stuff like that, they would be like, well, you're not ready for orthodoxy. I was like, okay. Why is that? Well, you don't have the right phronema, which is what? Does not recognize in contradictions? Like, what's what's a phronema? Like, it doesn't make any sense. And so, you know, that was one of the reasons why I was having problems back in two thousand seven and eight. Was specifically the death penalty, actually. Among other things. For example, I would be... I would remember having this conversation

2:44:50Jay Dyerwith a lot of people at a certain Antiochian parish, and I was like,

2:44:53Jay DyerI mean, you guys

2:44:54Speaker 5are literally... You've got, like, things dedicated to praying for and supporting the troops. And I'm like, but you're telling me that you're against the devil. That makes no sense.

2:45:03DrewYeah. No. I agree. I agree.

2:45:06Jay DyerThat And it's

2:45:07Fr. Ananiasa it's a

2:45:08Jay Dyertalking

2:45:08Fr. Ananiaspoint to be... After the 20... I mean, where do we really find people talking about this? In the church prior to the twentieth century?

2:45:17TrapGotcha.

2:45:18Jay DyerI've never heard anybody. I've never seen anything

2:45:22Jay Dyeragainst the death penalty Yeah. In orthodox or church history. At all until... I mean, maybe you could argue the closest thing to that would be

2:45:33Speaker 5the debate before Nicaea that people thought you couldn't be a

2:45:39Jay Dyersoldier and be a Christian, but

2:45:40Speaker 5Nicaea said you can. So

2:45:42Jay Dyerthen you have all the Byzantine history, which would contradict all that. And the only thing I've ever heard is, yeah. Well, I heard a monk when time say that, like, you shouldn't kill people. Like, look at what... So? That's what that doesn't mean that there's no... That the the state doesn't have the authority to use the sword. Apul says it clears day

2:45:58Speaker 17in Roman

2:45:59Fr. Ananias13. I've I've I've

2:46:00Speaker 21yeah. Well, I mean, I was listening to Andrew talk about debating somebody one time, and he... Andrew Wilson, he he... You know, if you you believe that... Oh god. What did he say? Something along the lines if you believe

2:46:14Speaker 21that Jesus is God, then, you know, he he... You know, look what he did at Sodom and Gomorrah. I mean I mean, this is

2:46:21Jay DyerWell, a lot of those people will be Marcionites. Right? And so I was encountering a lot Marcionism when I would discuss this stuff with in the Orthodox Church back in two thousand six and seven. I would

2:46:33Speaker 5I've developed a lot of, you know, like, Antiochian priests, OCA priests, and other... Like, those... That that sphere of people.

2:46:38Jay DyerI didn't I didn't know anybody in ROCOR at the time or anything like that, but I would remember asking around and we have these conversations with remember this was, like, 2007

2:46:47Speaker 5in Nashville. And the Nashville Antiochian church back then, I don't know now because I haven't been there many years, but it was a very ritzy kinda Nashville artsy scene. Of people that had converted back then. So there was a lot of former protestants and evangelicals, and then we would have a lot of debates and discussions, and they were all just sort of carrying their evangelical baggage over. And then they would pretend like oh, if you don't have the same evangelical attitude of... That I have, that you

2:47:15Jay Dyerdon't have the orthodox phronema. And I'm like, that's... So the Byzantine was not orthodox? They didn't have the orthodox phronema? It just makes no sense. So

2:47:25Speaker 15anyway... Yeah.

2:47:29Jay DyerI mean, yeah, it's like when you really dig into it and you start

2:47:32Speaker 5asking these people hard questions and you're like, well, did God exact the death penalty ever? Oh, well, I don't believe in the literal reading of the bible. That's

2:47:40Jay Dyerliteralism, and you're a fundamentalist. I'm like, well, then all the church fathers were fundamentalists.

2:47:44Speaker 5Because they read it the same way. No. Actually, Origen did not read it that way. We we

2:47:48Jay Dyerreally like Origen. See... You see where this goes. I'm

2:47:52Trapserious.

2:47:52Speaker 5I... That's the kind of answers. Every

2:47:55Speaker 17single time.

2:47:56Jay DyerYeah.

2:48:00Speaker 15Joshua? What's up?

2:48:04Jay DyerI'm surprised more people weren't bothered by the the talk that I gave at Ludwell. I thought it would ruffle more feathers, not I really care. I didn't give the talk to ruffle feathers, but I assume that more people would be but I guess they just don't even mean, don't know how you go against all that stuff. Like,

2:48:22Jay Dyerby the way, you know, the

2:48:23Speaker 5funny part was one of the books that I was largely relying on for this talk is written by a liberal.

2:48:30Jay DyerIt's written by John McGuckin. So he wrote a book a few years ago about the rise of Christian law. And even though he's a liberal, like, it's a really good book because he's basically just saying, like, you know, the whole history of the Byzantine period is the formulation of Christian law. And

2:48:46Speaker 5in the end of the... At the end of the book, he says, well, we live

2:48:49Jay Dyermodernity now, so we don't think this way. But he says,

2:48:53Speaker 5the way that we think about it would be unthinkable to the people in that time.

2:48:57Jay DyerWhich is crazy because he's basically

2:48:59Jay Dyerstorm.

2:48:59Jay DyerYeah. He's basically admitting that, like,

2:49:01Speaker 5they didn't see law as a secular realm divorced from the church. Or that the state was some secular institution that had no relationship to God. He's like, that's all kind of Baptist mindset, but, you know, we've all just kind of accepted the Baptist mindset in the modern world and that's just how it

2:49:17Jay Dyeris. So,

2:49:18Speaker 5yeah, they all they all thought very differently back then. Yo. Yeah.

2:49:27Phantom (caller)Hey. I wanted

2:49:29Trapto let you in on some stuff I found out about

2:49:34Speaker 17Freemasonry. And I don't I don't know if you

2:49:37Jay Dyeryou

2:49:37Speaker 17covered this or not, but I found out last week that the Freemasons have like, special ritual bearings Have you heard of heard of that?

2:49:49Jay DyerNo. What do you mean?

2:49:50Phantom (caller)Well, I

2:49:51Jay Dyerdidn't

2:49:53Phantom (caller)get too much into it, but

2:49:56Speaker 17last weekend, I visited, my

2:49:59Speaker 22wife's grandfather who's sick, and he was telling us all about how

2:50:03Speaker 22a thirty second degree Freemason. And

2:50:06Speaker 15he was

2:50:08Speaker 22telling us about... They have, like, a a burying ritual that's only for Freemasons.

2:50:14Speaker 21So, like,

2:50:15Jay DyerWhat what does that mean? I I don't know what that means. Bearings? I

2:50:17Speaker 17don't know. They

2:50:18Speaker 22they they put

2:50:20Speaker 22what's it called? They have, like, a like a mason's work pouch thing that they put on them

2:50:28Speaker 16Like

2:50:29Jay Dyerb e a r, like carrying something, like bearing something?

2:50:33Speaker 22No. Like death burial.

2:50:35Jay DyerA burial ritual?

2:50:36Jay DyerYeah.

2:50:37Speaker 5I knew about Mason.

2:50:37Jay DyerMasons

2:50:38Speaker 5have their own funeral.

2:50:39TrapIs that

2:50:39Speaker 6what you're talking about?

2:50:40Speaker 22Yeah. That I mean...

2:50:41Speaker 5Oh, Burying. I thought you said Yeah. Bearing,

2:50:43Speaker 15but

2:50:44Jay DyerBurying.

2:50:44Speaker 5Yes. I didn't know. Yeah. Mesa's. I mean, never been to one, but, I mean, I've had family members

2:50:48Jay Dyerwho've attended Masonic funerals. Yes.

2:50:51Speaker 22Yeah. I was... I mean, that was shocking to me, but, I also saw he he had a thirty second degree Freemason ring that had the Byzantine, double headed eagle on it.

2:51:00Jay DyerYeah. They sold out from

2:51:02Speaker 17the the

2:51:03Jay Dyertradition of the church.

2:51:04Speaker 22I I knew... It it was funny because I was talking to him about it and just from watching your debates and your videos Mhmm. Freemasonry, I kinda knew a lot of the stuff that he was talking about. And he was kinda shocked about it because he was saying,

2:51:21Speaker 22the... A lodge that he used to attend was... Is, like, being shut down and bought out. He's, like, surprised that anybody knows about it.

2:51:30Speaker 22Yeah, I thought it was pretty interesting. Yeah.

2:51:33Speaker 5Yeah. Here's that evangelical dude, John Ankerberg. Used to have a popular evangelical show, and he would cover a lot of cults and stuff. This is John show, demonstrating the

2:51:47Jay Dyerrituals

2:51:48Speaker 5at a free masonic, ceremony. They do... They also they also do stuff at the burial as well, but go

2:51:55Speaker 22ahead. Yeah. My my brother-in-law was joking around. He was

2:52:00Fr. Ananiaslike,

2:52:00Speaker 22I'm gonna sneak my drone in and try to capture some some of what's going

2:52:04Jay Dyeron. It's just gonna be boring

2:52:06Jay Dyerjust Yeah.

2:52:07Jay DyerReading a bunch

2:52:07Speaker 15of

2:52:08Jay Dyerstupid stuff and, you know, siding jibber jabber. So Yeah.

2:52:11Speaker 5I doubt I doubt they're sacrificing anybody or humping anybody. But may... You never know. Maybe they're touching butts too. So

2:52:19Jay Dyerlet's see who's next. Jake, what's up?

2:52:26Speaker 15Go ahead.

2:52:28Speaker 20Oh,

2:52:28Jay DyerAJ. Hey.

2:52:30Speaker 14Hey.

2:52:31Speaker 20Now that I got with FDA, I don't wanna... I just kinda wanted to kind of a follow-up from the two speakers ago about, like, death penalty and stuff. I

2:52:38Speaker 15just

2:52:40Trapkinda wondering about some patristic advice on, like, how to... As a lady... I've only been Orthodox three years, but I'm been settled into a OCA of the West parish.

2:52:50Speaker 20So, like... But we still go to, you know, like, the new catechesis class and ongoing education. But I'm just kind of curious how can I

2:52:58Speaker 23without undermining my priests, like, as we have a new crop coming in, if say, we touch upon issues like that where you might be incorrect, seems like a lose lose?

2:53:06Jay DyerLike,

2:53:07Speaker 23is my point?

2:53:07Speaker 5Father deacon father deacon is a

2:53:09Jay Dyergreat

2:53:10Speaker 5clerical advice man on these sort of practical things. I'll let I'll let him advise I gotta go to the little girl's room.

2:53:16Jay DyerPerfect.

2:53:17Jay DyerAlright. You see... Hey. What's up, Jake? Do you know what I mean? Father Deacon, I'm asking, like, okay. I go to classes. I'm not Yeah. I'm already baptized. Right? But, you know, I'm if someone asks a question or if I try to ask a question for the group and he says, oh, we don't believe in death penalty or something. Just for an example, like, how do I go about, you know, like, undermining... Without undermining you know, his authority and then teaching you know, saying, oh, he might be wrong. You know? Or get in an argument or, like, well, father says, you know, no. So that phone is wrong. So it's like,

2:53:51Jay DyerYou should be like, I'm calling father and he's coming over right now to deal with this. Well, get him on the line. Yeah. No. It's been hard too. You know, it's hard as lady

2:54:05Jay Dyerbut, like, I remember we used to do these young adult leagues And I'm not gonna name who the priest was, but it was back in California. And and he was like, he was even at the cuss... The cathedral. He was, like, the, like, the head priest.

2:54:22Jay DyerAnd he

2:54:25Jay Dyerhe said something about, like,

2:54:28Jay Dyeryou know, we can't put God in a box. He's... You know, if he decides tomorrow, you know, women's ordination, who are we to say? And I'm like, I couldn't I couldn't hold my tongue. I was like, no. I'm like, excuse me?

2:54:40Jay DyerI said, I'm not gonna let you say that in front of the kids. I'm sorry. And, like, he got really mad that I challenged his authority, but

2:54:50Jay Dyerit's a little bit different because I'm a deacon too. Yeah. So yeah, no, you could just seem to say something like, with all due respect, there's plenty of clergy And I like putting it towards, like, active living clergy. Rather than just, oh, will the father save? Right? Because we have this problem where every lady will reinterpret the fathers how they want. But,

2:55:22Jay DyerI think if you put it that direction,

2:55:25Jay Dyeryou know, there are plenty of

2:55:30Jay Dyercore... Active clergy that would say just the opposite of that. And so, with all due respect, like, I don't know. That's a hard one.

2:55:41Jay DyerYeah. You know what I mean. Like, in in front of the group, and, like, that sort of thing or just

2:55:47Jay DyerI don't know, because I'm just kind of a... I'm just a goober, you know, with like like, any

2:55:52Jay Dyerother What you what you could do what you could do... I hate to say this, but let let the priestess say that and then take people and be like, actually, you should talk to some other clergy. Like, I didn't wanna... You know, that might be a good approach. To be like, look. I don't wanna publicly undermine the authority of the priest, but I really think that you should talk to some of the other priests on this because from everything I... I've I've heard from them say that's absolutely incorrect.

2:56:25Jay DyerAnd just point them in, another direction. So you're not publicly, like, you know, shaming the priest or undermining his authority or something like that. That might be a good way of doing it.

2:56:37Jay DyerYeah. Okay. Yeah. Because

2:56:39Jay DyerI

2:56:40Jay Dyerdon't get why there's so many of these It seems to be like this cookie cutter six month catechesis, and I don't know if that's common throughout other other jurisdictions, but, man, that's another thing. It's like, what? Here comes another cop. You know? Not that I'm, like, so much like, knowledgeable... More knowledgeable,

2:57:01Jay Dyerbut it's just kind of bizarre.

2:57:03Jay DyerIt's

2:57:04Jay Dyerknow what I do with going to class? There. I do. It's like... It it hits three different people. I do a class where it's... For inquiries, so those that aren't orthodox, catechumens. And then I encourage my parishioners who are already baptized to it to continue their education. And so, you know, we get new people in, but at the same time, it's like hey. Let's continue our education and orthodoxy. So that's

2:57:39Jay Dyerthat's a good thing too. Yeah. Yeah.

2:57:42Jay DyerTotally. I see that. Yeah. I I sometimes poke into your your classes online there. But I I get it. Like, a lot of jurisdictions or parishes at that level don't have the capacity to do it. You know, we're just still a small poor parish or whatever. Still paying off the building. You know? So there's only one crease, so they don't have the capacity to do that whereas like, the Antiopeans seem to just really have they they got it. They got everything down. You know? Like, sometimes three priests or something. And

2:58:17Jay Dyerit's crazy.

2:58:18Jay DyerYeah. And, you know, the other thing too, always think about this. I try to remind myself of this. If by saying some... What is it gonna do?

2:58:30Jay DyerI mean, if you if you spoke up in the katechesis class and was like, that's not correct or, like, do you think it would convince... Do you think the people would be like, wow. I guess he's right and the priest is wrong. No. It's not gonna convince

2:58:45Jay Dyeranybody. Yeah.

2:58:47Jay DyerLike, that's not... Well, that's what I'm saying is it's not gonna do anything.

2:58:53Jay DyerYou'd probably be more kind of effective just by, like, talking... You know, developing a relationship with the people personally and be like, hey. You really should talk to

2:59:05Jay Dyeryou know, and name one of the fathers, like, that you know who's that could talk to him about, like, yes. We don't

2:59:13Jay Dyerwe're not anti death penalty.

2:59:17Jay DyerRight. Right. Yeah. Just kinda developed that relationship off the side. So

2:59:21Jay DyerYeah. Yeah. I think that's the last one.

2:59:23Jay DyerNot that it's my building this. I don't You know? And I don't have this admission to do that, but something just bothers me about like, just, yeah, where the

2:59:32Jay DyerWell, it's it's... Yeah. Like, they going. Jason

2:59:34Jay Dyertoo

2:59:35Jay Dyerit's it's unfortunately what they're doing in the seminary. And, you know, I was talking about this too is that you know, everybody gets so caught up on the, like, it's

2:59:44Jay Dyerso

2:59:45Jay Dyerhow fast the church is growing and how many people are getting hurt by yeah, it is, but we can't handle the numbers. Do you know what one of the downside of this is?

2:59:55Jay DyerWell, we don't have enough priests, so what do we do?

2:59:58Jay DyerYeah. We're like, well, here's a great neck beard gamma boot licker. He'll make a great priest. Let's get him in seminary. I mean, you should see some of the people that are seminary that I'm like, this is what our priests are gonna be. And there's certain jurisdictions and and clergy that would love that. That that's the sorta... And so we'll get just a normie boomer, you know, kinda liberal mindset on... I mean, they train these priests since the seminary to

3:00:30Jay Dyerto think that way oftentimes. And I'm like,

3:00:34Jay Dyerso, like, I always said, I'm like, this it's thoroughly a liberal a modern liberal kind of idea of this anti death It's like... It has... Like Jay said, I don't see this even prior to the twentieth century. So where... What are we saying here? We're going against Saint Justinian. And we're going against the consensus of the fathers The whole ancient mindset of the church

3:01:07Jay Dyerand be... And then what do we have? We have a new revelation. You see, the twentieth century... I mean, they might as well say that they're monotonous at this point. Well, we've got a new public revelation that obviously

3:01:20Jay Dyerthe church was wrong prior to the twentieth century. But we're enlightened people. Unfortunately, that's come in to some of the seminaries, and that's why these priests are saying the stuff that... I don't want any part of it. I'm And it wouldn't happen around my parishes. Like, you're in you that. But, again, like I said, I'm different. I'm I'm a deacon. Well, this is because said... Yeah. Go ahead. No. I'm

3:01:43Jay Dyersorry. Go ahead. Chris also said what?

3:01:46Jay DyerIf anyone misbehaves, summon the deacon. So it's my job to even...

3:01:52Jay DyerSo this wasn't even a thing until suddenly in the night... In 1989, the OCA added St. Louis Synod decided that the death penalty is condemned. So

3:02:06Jay Dyerwhy and who was the influence behind that? I don't know.

3:02:12Jay DyerWell, let's call for what it is. Like,

3:02:15Jay DyerI But I mean, but I'm saying it wasn't a thing until nineteen eighty nine.

3:02:18Jay DyerNo. But... Yeah. It's a... Exactly. It's monotonism. They got a new... So the the synonym of The USA got a new public revelation.

3:02:27Jay DyerOkay. That's great. Now it's now it's condemned.

3:02:33Jay DyerNot Montanaism. Don't ever confuse. It's montanism.

3:02:50Jay DyerIt's the... Well, we now know. We... It's the we now know fallacy. What we now know, g. Yeah. But show them my... Exactly. Let's even go prior to '19... What was it? '89? Anybody in the Orthodox Church had this mindset.

3:03:18Jay DyerWell, it admits that prior... This just looking at the general AI assessment. It says prior to that, there was not a consensus, but many Christian priests and people just supported the traditional position of the the right of the death, but the state had the death penalty.

3:03:42Jay DyerAnd then, of course, Rome. Again, it's such a obvious, like, sign of other

3:03:51Jay Dyerliberals... Liberal positions. Right? Because all the all the people against the death penalty, they're gonna have all the same stupid, oh, we need deaconesses, and we need you know, to tolerate gay stuff or be pro gay. Like, it's all... It always goes together. Right? Generally speaking. Right? There can be outliers, but most of the time, this stuff all goes together.

3:04:13Jay DyerBut it's it's all very recent modern

3:04:18Arianastuff.

3:04:19Jay DyerI guarantee it's

3:04:20Jay Dyerjust These these are all the same people that said to

3:04:23Jay DyerLock down the churches, take the statues

3:04:25Jay Dyerup poison jab and kill yourself. So, I mean, let's just figure it out. Like, how do we know something's demonic? When they're telling you to kill yourself?

3:04:38Jay DyerRight. You what I'll say? Like like, I'm alive. I'm on YouTube, so you're gonna get my whole... This is gonna pull the whole stream down.

3:04:47Jay DyerThey say that I'm alive? I mean, obviously, isn't that a demonic message?

3:04:51Jay DyerOh, yeah.

3:04:55Jay DyerWhat happens when the the demons are cast into the swine?

3:05:00Jay DyerThe swine unalive themselves.

3:05:02Jay DyerLike, that's what they,

3:05:06Jay DyerI mean, that's what... You know, I was talking to my students about why the orthodox position on aliens is the demons. I'm like, well, they're all first of all, they're all a bunch of utilitarians. Right? Oh, we just gotta balance the formula. And one of the form is obviously is that human beings are the problem, and we need to do a massive depop.

3:05:26Jay DyerI don't live or so. Everything... Like, all this kind of malphusian

3:05:30Jay Dyerunaliving. So... And then we have this episode where, like, and it really is saving lives by I'm alive for you. Can't get you to save lives and, like, protect ground by of alive in yourself?

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3:06:31Jay DyerLet's check that one out. We always love the constant evangelical megachurch money laundering, human trafficking, whatever else scandals.

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3:07:35Jay DyerTim Tebow I don't even know who these church dudes are. Who is Tim Tebow? I know he's a football guy.

3:07:56Jay DyerWhat happened to the Christian scam fronted by Tim Tebow eleven days ago?

3:08:04Jay DyerLet's check out what this is.

3:08:05Jay DyerWe end the episode calling for Tim Tivo inviting

3:08:09Arianahim

3:08:09Jay Dyerto

3:08:10Jay Dyerto speak, to explain why it is that all these people have these

3:08:13Fr. Ananiasquestions about him as we do now having talked to them and give us the explanation so

3:08:17Jay Dyerthat

3:08:18Fr. Ananiaswe can have specificity around what you knew and when you knew it. Because maybe it is. Total ignorance along that spectrum, but someone needs to explain that. I I think it is

3:08:30Fr. Ananiasirresponsible to not

3:08:32Jay Dyertalk. I'll tell you why

3:08:33Fr. AnaniasTim Tebow was act...

3:08:35Jay DyerBy the way, I I like... With a lot of these, like, big names celebrity people and brand deals and all this kind of stuff or, like, they don't even know what... I'm not trying to excuse It could be a total scammer. I don't know anything about Tim too, but I'm just saying that one the things that happens is that people are just like managers will say, oh, we got this great deal for you. Be the face and go speak at this event for this whatever this is. And they're like, yeah. Okay. Whatever. And then they just do it. Like, they they... A lot of these people don't follow this stuff, but I have no idea. He could be all in on it. Let's see. Sure.

3:09:06Speaker 5Exercising his right to remain silent. Anytime you are publicly accused of something, especially in the immediate aftermath, whether you are guilty or innocent, most of the time, your best defense is to remain silent because whatever you say will be used against you and sometimes it will be twisted.

3:09:27Jay DyerAnd grieve this is the most annoying YouTube voice I've ever heard. Good grief. Can we get past this

3:09:33Speaker 5dude? To be used against you. More than likely, you are not changing anyone's perception. There's really no benefit for Tim Tebow to sit

3:09:44Jay Dyerdown. You can tell this is a sports dork because his voice and intonation sounds like some terrible sports announcer. That's so funny.

3:09:53Speaker 5Oh. Now with Pablo Torrey.

3:09:55Jay DyerLet me speed it up, and let's go to what the issue is. Life surge. Okay. What is that?

3:10:00Speaker 5This is a Christian organization that holds events across the country. Supposedly,

3:10:04Speaker 5Tim Tebow was paid between 50 and a hundred thousand dollars per appearance.

3:10:08Jay DyerThis guy wants to be an ESPN sports radio guy so bad, dude. He's like, and he's got all this sports ball, sports hole stuff behind

3:10:17Arianahim. It's

3:10:18Jay Dyerlike

3:10:19Jay Dyerthis guy missed his calling. He was supposed to be a sports hole talker.

3:10:24Speaker 5That's to speak at these events. Attendees were only charged $30 to get in the door and hear Tantivo speak. Uncle Casey, how are they making money? If it's only $30 to hear Temtibo, there's no way life sirs can afford to pay.

3:10:35Jay DyerI figured it out. He's the hold on a second. What's that actor that's in best in show Real looking dude.

3:10:46Jay DyerThat's in

3:10:47Arianawhat?

3:10:48Jay DyerBest in show.

3:10:50Jay DyerBest in show?

3:10:52Jay DyerYeah. I think that's... Hold on. I've never heard of it.

3:10:54ArianaI don't know. Hold on a second. You know who

3:10:57Jay DyerAlright. Well, let me play this. You look at it like like

3:10:59Speaker 5The

3:11:01Speaker 5Well, according to Pablo Torre, once you get inside of a life surge event, the money grab begins. They offer quote unquote, education courses that teach people how to make money in the stock market or teach them how to sell real estate. These educational courses cost anywhere from 10 to $50,000.

3:11:17Jay DyerSo people are paying Tim Tebow as the front of this organization 50 to $100,000 to take a course on how to do real estate. Oh, this is so

3:11:27Speaker 5stupid. Obviously, most people A

3:11:29Jay Dyerlevy.

3:11:30Jay DyerOh, yeah. From SCTV.

3:11:33ArianaYeah.

3:11:34Jay DyerHe does sound like Eugene Levy.

3:11:35Speaker 5Don't have that kind of discretionary income. And those that do, don't need to pay someone $50,000 to teach them how to make money. That's okay.

3:11:45Speaker 5If you're struggling financially, life surge has the solution. There are plenty of third party lenders at these events and they are more than willing to offer lines of credit at 0% interest. Now for once the promotional period inevitably ends, interest rates increase to 25, 30, 35%. And just like the bible...

3:12:02Jay DyerOkay. I can't take any more of that dude's voice. Let's see.

3:12:08Jay DyerYeah. So... Okay. Here's a local news. I'd rather hear the local news than that guy talk.

3:12:13Speaker 6The pastor of Oklahoma's largest church when it comes to average attendance is cutting ties with this Christian touring event. Life Church pastor Craig Groeschel is the latest high high profile speaker to step away from Life Search. Kocoskyl Thomas spoke with a man who traveled to Tulsa for an event and said he left it feeling duped.

3:12:29Jay DyerI I just honestly couldn't help but leave and thinking, man, I've duped.

3:12:31Speaker 6Kevin Young and his wife traveled from Ozark, Missouri. This past May to Tulsa to attend LiveSearch, a one day Christian conference tours across the country. Former NFL quarterback Tim Tebow and Oklahoma mega founder and pastor Craig Rochelle were part of the lineup. The young said they went to worship and hear personal testimony, but didn't like what they got instead.

3:12:47Fr. AnaniasIt's nothing but a high pressure time sheet.

3:12:49Jay DyerI don't know anything about sports hall. Is that the dude that's Taylor Swift boyfriend or whatever, or is that the... Some other guy? Who's Taylor Swift's boyfriend?

3:12:58Jay DyerBecause they had this whole yeah, soap opera drama. Remember when she flew to his Super Bowl event last year, and it was so stupid. It was like, this is such an arranged fake because nobody watched the Super Bowl so that they had to, like, create a soap opera around it to do to get at ratings again. Who is Taylor Swift's man?

3:13:25Jay DyerTaylor Swift man. Taylor Swift is a man. No. I'm not saying that Taylor Swift is a man.

3:13:32Jay DyerI've already... Who's her boyfriend? All you

3:13:36Jay Dyersports old dorks in the chat will know. Travis Kelce. Okay. That's presumably a different person from Tim. In my mind, all of those, the... All the white quarterback dudes, they're all basically just the same dude in my head. And they're they're also the same as who's the guy from Tennessee that became the tennis... The quarterback star for forever?

3:14:01Jay DyerAll you football dorks will know.

3:14:08Jay DyerWho... Who's the fame... He's already retired, I think.

3:14:11Jay DyerHe was from Tennessee.

3:14:13Jay DyerFrom UT. Peyton man... Peyton Manning. That's right. Pastor Peyton Manning.

3:14:20ArianaObama.

3:14:22Jay DyerI'd rather hear

3:14:24Jay Dyerpastor Manning than Peyton Manning. There we go.

3:14:27Speaker 6Sales like you'd go to in

3:14:28ArianaBranson.

3:14:28DrewI just know personally when I left, I felt like they were using the name of the lord. To draw people in for financial gain, and I just think that's wrong.

3:14:33ArianaKept

3:14:34Jay DyerDuh. Like, come on. This... All of evangelicalism is is based around

3:14:37Speaker 6this. Isn't alone. Allegations of high pressured sales tactics are at the root of a joint investigation by the magazine Mother Jones and a podcast called Pablo Torre finds out. After the release of that podcast, Tim Tebow said he's distancing himself from the Christian organization. LiveSurg denounced the allegations, saying they strongly disagree with the characterization of their company and do not apologize for who they are, what they believe, or work they do. On Thursday, Life Church founder Craig Rochelle also stepped back. Life Church told KOCO Groeschel doesn't plan to speak at any upcoming events. Saying he's grateful to have had the opportunity to share his message but wants to prioritize

3:15:08Jay DyerWell, a lot of these celebs, they create... We figured this out years ago. They create their own nondenominational church. This is actually what the Kardashians did. I'm talking about the people that are, like, mega, you know,

3:15:20Jay Dyermega rich. $50,100,000,000, billions of dollars. People that are, like, e... Like, celebrity sports people, they create literally... I'm not joking. Their own nondenominational churches. And then they can buy

3:15:34Jay Dyerjets or whatever. And then it's it's on the church.

3:15:38Jay DyerRight?

3:15:39Jay DyerSo it's a way to avoid taxes. Now they might actually have some stupid nondenominational church. That really does stuff, but the church is a way to have jets and all that shit just like fake preachers do.

3:15:51Speaker 6His ministry

3:15:52Drewmean, I doubt the fact that Craig Rochelle will ever see my little Facebook post. But if he did, I wanted to know

3:15:55Jay Dyerthat And the the were the one that first figured this out, if you don't know this. Jamie was telling me about this. Let's see. Celebrities Wonder if there's something on this, if anybody's ever covered this.

3:16:11Jay DyerIt's actually a pretty smart scam if you think about it.

3:16:15Jay DyerCelebrity create church

3:16:21Arianatax haven tax.

3:16:29Jay DyerHere's a thing about celebrity endorsed

3:16:34Jay Dyermegachurches, but what I'm actually talking about is something a little more precise, like actual celebrities creating churches.

3:16:52Jay DyerOkay. One thing we can look up is

3:16:56Jay DyerI bet you that Nathan guy has covered this. The Mormon The guy that we interviewed. Because he he focused on this in his documentary that we watched. Specifically the series, specifically on the Mormon church. Right? Mormon church, like, actually also... The Kardashians probably learned this from the Mormons, actually.

3:17:12Jay DyerSure. Made 25,000,000,000 in profits in the market last year.

3:17:17Speaker 8And guess what that is? Untaxed because they're a church They gave away $400,000,000 to humanitarian aid.

3:17:25Jay DyerRight. They'll give it away at a level of like 400,000,000, but they'll make 32,000,000,000. Ain't that crazy?

3:17:32Jay DyerLike, the the... Like, the... All of this church stuff,

3:17:34Arianadude,

3:17:35Jay Dyeryou guys got... Like, this is all scams, man. Like, 99% of this stuff is scams. I mean... And it... Of course, everybody's susceptible to, you know, this type of temptations. In the orthodox world, there have been scammers and pho... Phonies and money laundering too. But I'm just saying, like, the evangelical world is basically nothing about this. You guys gotta figure that out,

3:17:55Arianaby now.

3:17:56Jay DyerNikki gifted five memberships. Appreciate that. I know. I should... Let me look up let's see if we can find the Kardashian evangelical

3:18:09Jay Dyerlike, their own church.

3:18:18ArianaYes.

3:18:19Jay DyerLook at this.

3:18:21Jay DyerWe need to talk

3:18:27Jay DyerThe Skittle dudes... This dude always actually covers this stuff. Like, I can't stand this guy's channel, but he actually does have good information.

3:18:35Jay DyerChris Jenner's sketchy church

3:18:37Speaker 9the California Community Church was founded by Kris Jenner, And to be a member at this church, you must spend a thousand dollars a month. And they expect you to 10% of your salary to their organization. This church Told you, this is the model that these, like,

3:19:02Speaker 9I mean, look, I'm not saying taxes

3:19:04Jay Dyerthemselves are scams, but they're doing this to create a church to avoid the taxes is also not a good thing.

3:19:11Speaker 9Is a cash cow for Kris Jenner and for all the wrong reasons. On top of it all, their pastor Brad has a disturbing past that is far from holy. So let's get into it.

3:19:29Speaker 9There's something up when it comes to this church situation and the Kardashians because I

3:19:35Jay Dyerdon't Yes. This dude obviously is Skittles. Wow. You guys have super attuned gaydar's to figure that out. Good job. Got a bunch of Sherlock Holmes or maybe with Candice, dreadlock Holmes in the audience. We're playing this video because this is the top video on this subject when it comes up.

3:19:54Speaker 9Really think of Kris Jenner as a super religious person yet she's actually founded a church of her own. And it's not a cheap church either because they are charging their members a thousand dollars a month to attend this church which is a huge tax break for Chris. You guys know that Kris Jenner is a mega businesswoman. I mean, she's the momager to her daughters who are so incredibly successful, but a church just seems

3:20:25Speaker 9so out of place. And as you guys know, the Kardashian family is full of women, and they all have k names. So Kim, Kimberly, Kylie, Kendall, Chris, all of them. But their church is full of seas, I think is interesting. California Community Church. And I can't

3:20:43Jay DyerWhat does he think is interesting about that?

3:20:45ArianaWhat what is that?

3:20:47Jay DyerWhy is that interesting at all? I mean... So skipping ahead, this is obviously a tax right

3:20:51Speaker 9A huge tax write off. And you guys know at the end of the day, everything's about my when it comes to these people. So you could reduce your tax up to 60% or even up to a 100% if you pay in cash. So Chris founded the California Community Church back in June 2008 and she requires her members to pay a thousand dollars a month, which is so much money. On top of donating 10% of their salary. So they're sending a ton of money to Kris Jenner. But if you go on to the church's website, you'll see that it's

3:21:22Speaker 9just like any ordinary church. I mean, they do church trips and things like that, but nothing that would cost that amount of money. So where's the money going? It's also kind of sketchy the Kardashian family makes a ton of donations to this church, and they write it off on their taxes, so they get money back from that. But it's really a big cycle because the money is just going to their mother,

3:21:45Jay Dyerbecause... Alright. So let's get into whoever the pastor is of this goober church.

3:21:49Speaker 9Jenner actually found him at a Starbucks, which was super convenient, and now he's the lead pastor. There's a very damning article out there. They

3:21:59Arianaall look like

3:21:59Jay Dyerthis. Isn't it funny how, like, all the nondenominational pastors, basically all look like this?

3:22:05Speaker 9About Brad Johnson. And guys, it is not pretty. So I wanna give you guys a trigger warning because there are a few controversial topics that we're gonna be talking about here. Supposedly, Kris Jenner handpicked Brad which is very interesting because he's here to lead the congregation Yeah. He has a very dark past. So did Chris know about this

3:22:27Arianaor did

3:22:27Speaker 9she have no idea or what? So Brad actually used to run a church that had about...

3:22:32Jay DyerAnyway, it's all the same stuff you would expect. Drugs, unalivings,

3:22:38Arianascams. Look

3:22:38Jay Dyerlike

3:22:39Arianathat. That's

3:22:39Jay DyerIt's all the same... They always look like this. They look like a two thousands era

3:22:46Jay DyerI don't know, gay motivational speakers, what all these evangelical megachurch pastors look like. I wanna see what the reviews are for this church. That sounds funny. Should we... Is this is this a good form of a humanism Let's see. Let's check out the Kardashian shirt.

3:23:02Speaker 9I do wanna talk about the reviews when it comes down to this church because if you were to Google it right now, it has about a two star. Well, a 2.8. I guess you can round it up to three, but pretty much a 2.8, which how does a church get a 2.8 rating? Well, lot of people aren't happy with pastor Brad

3:23:22Arianaor

3:23:22Jay DyerThe review said pastor Brad cheats all the time on his wife. He's done it multiple times. He's a druggie. This ain't no church.

3:23:30Jay DyerOh, I've seen this guy. His name's pastor Bradley Ball.

3:23:35Jay DyerOh, Randy Ball is that's his brother. That's Randy's brother. It's his

3:23:39Jay Dyerbrother Bradley Balls. Yeah. Yeah.

3:23:42Jay DyerI would give this church a zero. It's not a church.

3:23:44Jay DyerThey charge you a thousand dollars to go

3:23:49Jay DyerThis is a Kardashian scam church. It costs a thousand dollars. Oh, these are great reviews.

3:23:54Jay DyerAnyway, this is funny.

3:23:58Jay DyerLet's see what this gay dude says about

3:24:01Jay Dyercelebrities and religion. Let's see where he ends this.

3:24:05Speaker 9But when it comes to Hollywood and churches, there's a lot to unpack here. And there's actually a full diagram that I'm gonna put up on the

3:24:12Jay Dyerscreen. Imagine, all the ortho bros at coffee hour trying to talk about the essence energy distinction to

3:24:20Jay Dyerto the Kardashian girls. You got,

3:24:26Arianalike,

3:24:28Jay DyerSeraphim

3:24:29Jay Dyerover there in the corner with his prayer rope, but he's trying to talk to Kim Kardashian about hypostasis in an up And he's like, oh, looks...

3:24:41ArianaAre

3:24:41Jay Dyeryou... I know that you were formerly with

3:24:44Jay Dyerand I know that you have an Armenian Orthodox background. Perhaps you're familiar with the concept of in hypostatized from where the Armenian church split with us over monothelotism. Wouldn't it be awesome if Kim Kardashian knew everything about that and she was, like, arguing with theology? That'd be funny.

3:25:02Speaker 9Of just different celebrities who are associated to different churches. And if you guys want me to look more into the churches and Hollywood and how a they are and the

3:25:12Jay Dyerred flags, please I think that, like,

3:25:15Jay Dyernormal Kim Kardashian doesn't look bad.

3:25:18Jay DyerBut whatever they did to... And it's probably not even real. Like, I think they... These people are paid to, like, push cultural trends So that stupid, disgusting Brazilian butt lift thing where they put,

3:25:30Jay DyerI don't know,

3:25:32Jay Dyerconcrete and cellophane in your butt whatever to make you have a huge gigantic butt is just disgusting. But they... These weirdos, they're probably satanists. They they pushed all this stuff.

3:25:43Jay DyerThroughout the last twenty years. So they're major culture drivers of women and gay dudes. I can't imagine anyone else paying attention to these people. And I'm not trying to pull

3:25:55Jay Dyerup her

3:25:57Arianagiant

3:25:58Jay Dyerfake butt, but, like, what she looked like as a normal person. Because a lot of these people, they used to be just normal looking people. Right? Like, she looks fine there. She looks

3:26:08Jay Dyernormal.

3:26:09Jay DyerAnd if you look at the other one,

3:26:14Jay DyerI I don't keep... Can't keep up with all these weirdos. The one that that had the Kylie, she doesn't even look like what she used to look like. So they were also major culture drivers of

3:26:31Jay Dyerplastic surgery and, like, going absolutely crazy with plastic surgery.

3:26:38Jay DyerAnd this chick does not even look like the same person anymore.

3:26:42Jay DyerSo this is her when she was young.

3:26:46Jay DyerK. Twenty ten. She just looks like a normal girl. And then this is her now. It looks like a totally different person.

3:26:58Jay DyerAnyway, the only one that looks good... Any good at all in my opinion is Kendall Jenner. She looks pretty. She's the only one who look... The rest of them look like goblins and fake fake things. She actually looks good, though. She's like a and she looks like the one that's had the least amount of alteration Like, she just looks like a a normal

3:27:17Jay Dyertype of person. But the rest of

3:27:19Jay Dyerthem, man, they're just like, I don't know what

3:27:21Jay Dyerthey're. They look like some kind of weird factory creation or, like, what an AI thinks that you're supposed to look like

3:27:28Jay Dyeror something. I don't like

3:27:29Jay Dyerpeople don't need to all look the same. That's what I don't understand why people want to do all this modification to look like the same

3:27:37Arianablow up doll.

3:27:39Jay DyerRight? Like, the way that women get all these modifications now is what the joke was, like, back in the two thousands or the nineties of what blow up dolls look like. It looks gross and weird. It's almost like they wanna look like the same t r n... T r a n z dude.

3:27:57Jay DyerRight?

3:27:58Jay DyerI'm not saying that I think all modifications are bad. I think minor plastic surgeries are not a big deal. I think if you wanna do that, you can do that.

3:28:06Jay DyerIt's

3:28:07Jay Dyerit makes sense, I guess, to a degree, especially if you work in show business or whatever. Like, I get people doing that. I'm not totally against that type of stuff, but I'm saying, like, when people alter themselves to all look like the same

3:28:21Jay Dyerwhatever this is that we're seeing now.

3:28:24ArianaLike,

3:28:27Jay DyerI don't even know. Is there a name for this look where where all of the women are sort of trying to look like the same gross Instagram OnlyFans blow up doll person. You know what I'm saying? Do you guys get what I'm getting at? And the Kardashians played a huge role in of popularizing that for all of these women

3:28:49Jay Dyereverywhere.

3:28:53Jay DyerI don't even know what you call it. But why would you wanna lose your unique features and what makes you you? That's what I don't understand either. Like so many people have unique features that makes them

3:29:07Jay Dyersort

3:29:07Jay Dyerof stand out

3:29:09Jay DyerAnd then... But, no, everybody wants to look like the exact same copy print

3:29:13ArianaYou know? Because

3:29:14Jay Dyerthey hate themselves.

3:29:15ArianaThat's

3:29:15Jay Dyerwhy. You think so?

3:29:16Jay DyerYou think so? Yeah. I think that

3:29:19Jay Dyerthey're not... Yeah. I mean, think about it. Somebody and I don't mean, like, a a prideful person, but somebody who doesn't... Who's confident doesn't hate them. Do you think they're gonna get

3:29:33Jay Dyerbody modification

3:29:34Jay Dyerto look at No. But they're also all in the circles

3:29:37Jay Dyerof... Jamie and I were talking about this the other day. Like,

3:29:41Jay Dyerall of this... That level of culture whether it's fashion world or trends and advertising,

3:29:51Jay DyerHBO TV show storylines, that is all dominated by gay dudes.

3:29:56Jay DyerLike, the women's fashion world is actually gay dudes telling women what to wear. And then the women just go along with trends, they're typically more collective in their thinking. They just listen to the, well, well, then we gotta listen to the gay dudes. The the gay dudes tell us what fashion is. And so they obviously know. We must listen to them. We all have to submit to the Lavender Mafia everywhere.

3:30:20Jay DyerYou see what I'm saying? Like, it's like it's gay dudes determining all of this stuff everywhere. I mean, every one of the, like, big fashion designer, they're all gay dudes. Like, is it... Like, Ralph Lauren's, like, the only one in the street? They're all gay dudes. Why why is it all gay dudes telling everybody what we're supposed to wear? It's crazy.

3:30:39Jay DyerAnd then the... It's... Gait is telling all the women

3:30:43Jay Dyeroh, no. You actually need to modify your face to look more and more like a trans dude. Like, what?

3:30:48Jay DyerThis is insane world that we're in. Anyway, so it's not surprising to me. And and I mean, look at this dude.

3:30:55Speaker 9Let me know because there are a lot of concerning things going down as someone who is a Christian who in... Who has grown up in a church, like, I'm, like, looking around like, wait. What? This isn't you could tell that Alright. That's enough of that. But

3:31:09Arianayeah,

3:31:10Jay Dyerthat's... So I was correct. Jamie was correct. The Kardashians whole like, that... They're just mega grifters, dude. They know they've figured it out.

3:31:18Jay DyerJerome, $10. Kardashians look like Thumbelina

3:31:21Jay Dyerfrog woman from old cartoon movie. I'll take your on

3:31:25Jay Dyerthat. Volpe is $5. The look that you're referring to is in these women, the m e n a wife, me no wife. What's that mean?

3:31:34Jay DyerA rich soccer player.

3:31:37ArianaCoonley

3:31:42Jay DyerOh, this is something you want me to look up. Documents this.

3:31:47Jay DyerIn a humorous way. I must be foreign.

3:31:51Jay DyerLet's see.

3:32:05Jay DyerOh, is this it? The wives of soccer players? Okay.

3:32:08DrewBeauty, but behind closed doors... Was... He was much

3:32:12Fr. AnaniasFootball gives men everything, the trophies, the money, the fame.

3:32:16Speaker 12The world at their feet. But when the marriage falls apart, suddenly, most powerful men on the pitch find themselves powerless.

3:32:23Phantom (caller)His abilities as a footballer and his inability to remain faithful to his partners

3:32:28Speaker 12Some ex wives walked away with mansions,

3:32:31Jay Dyerfortune. I don't think this is what you're talking about.

3:32:34Jay DyerThis is, like, just some AI channel. I don't know what this is.

3:32:55Jay DyerLet me get rid of that and try this. Group. Mina, I don't know what this is, dude. What are you talking about?

3:33:04Jay DyerM e n a wife groupie of rich soccer player.

3:33:10Jay DyerOkay. I don't know what that is, dog.

3:33:15Jay DyerThe look that you're referring to in these women is the Mina wife. Is that sock? I don't know what Mina is, dude. I'm in America, dude. I don't know nothing about soccer. I don't know

3:33:25Jay Dyerwhat that is. Somebody said Middle East or North

3:33:27ArianaAfrican. Is that a...

3:33:30Jay DyerIs that what that means?

3:33:31ArianaI... Maybe.

3:33:36Jay DyerK. Well, I don't... Nothing comes up about that.

3:33:41Jay DyerI know that

3:33:43Jay DyerMary Morgan made a video about this. She's the only person I can think of recently talking about this where she was saying, why are all the women wanting to modify

3:33:53Jay Dyertheir appearance to look the same?

3:34:04Jay DyerI don't remember what she told the video, though, but it was something like that.

3:34:23Jay DyerLet's try let's try that with plastic surgery.

3:34:27ArianaYeah. Here we go.

3:34:31ArianaWoah, dude.

3:34:33Jay DyerI love how British people just have these weird kind of phrases that they're just expect everybody else knows?

3:34:40ArianaNina?

3:34:43Jay DyerIs that... You think it's a Brit?

3:34:45ArianaProbably.

3:34:48Jay DyerOkay. Well, I don't know. I can't find her video now, but she had some video commenting on this, like, on women all looking the same.

3:35:08Jay DyerAnyway, I give up. Let's see.

3:35:13Jay DyerWhat up's up, Jay? Aesthetic ships, $5. Have you read Sword of Christ by Giles

3:35:18Jay DyerCorey? No. Somebody mentioned that the other day that

3:35:21Jay Dyerthat's like a Christian sci fi thing. No. I've not read that. I'm not familiar with it. If it's in the vein of,

3:35:27Jay Dyeryou know, c s Lewis or

3:35:28Jay Dyeror Tolkien, I would think I would like it.

3:35:32Jay DyerWalt Walt of $5. I'm wondering about your opinion on wearing... Swearing oaths. If you work in a labor union.

3:35:39Jay DyerI don't think all oaths are bad. I think

3:35:41Jay Dyerwas something that we pointed out in the Freemason debate that

3:35:47Jay DyerJesus isn't forbidding all oaths. He's forbidding

3:35:53Jay Dyeroaths that are done, you know, willy nilly and that you don't keep.

3:35:57Jay DyerBut I don't... I mean,

3:36:01Jay DyerI don't know. I mean, I know about the history of labor unions and this kind of stuff. But I don't know ethically what to tell you as to I mean, I'm from the South. We don't have labor unions. That's a Yankee thing. As far as we know, it's

3:36:16Jay Dyerlike

3:36:17Jay Dyersounds like a bunch of communist stuff. But I get that when labor unions were started, it was because of

3:36:27Jay Dyerviparous corporate leaders.

3:36:29Jay DyerThe unions eventually got taken over and controlled. So I don't know I don't know the ethics of whether or not it's good to be in a union or not. I I wouldn't do it, but I also don't work in a factory. And Chicago. So maybe either you gotta join it. I don't know.

3:36:53Jay DyerI mean, they're forcing you to join union to get work. I mean, maybe you have to. SCP $10 ATF may have to visit sounds like or somewhere earlier in the chat. That shit's $5. The stars are at night. They're big and bright, deep in the heart of Yeah. He's making fun of

3:37:12Jay Dyerthe idea of Texas being Muslim.

3:37:18Jay DyerChad, $10. Jay, thank you for you and FDA. Maybe you could flesh out about our Mormon or a more Mormon metaphysical argument.

3:37:25Jay DyerMake it better. Yeah. I mean, I think there's there's definitely room for that. Nixi, what's up? Gifted memberships, thank you again. Viceroy start, $20. Jay, what's up? What's your opinion on the next ten years in America, Europe, Middle East? Bro, I don't know, man. People ask me this all the time. Like, I don't have any insights or predictions on what the future's gonna be like or like, I can't tell you what... Like, other than investing in Bitcoin, know, I use that like it's my bank account. I just

3:37:57Jay Dyerput everything into that. That's my view. You don't have to do that. I'm not gonna argue or debate with people anymore about it. You haven't figured it out by this point, there's no point debating it. Have fun with your fiat dollars. Or your shiny gold rocks.

3:38:15Jay DyerSloboy whiteboard says they call it Mar a Lago face. Yeah. That's a good point. They do call it mar a log of phase.

3:38:23Jay DyerMaybe I should look that up. I just don't know what to tell. Look. Because I get a lot of people ask that question. Well, not a lot. Maybe... I'd say every month, somebody says, what's the future of America look like? Should I move to Europe or Ecuador? You know, Ask Tristan. Tristan's in Ecuador. Hit him up. See if

3:38:41Jay Dyerif that's a good place to move, and he can tell you all the challenges. I mean, we've had friends that tried to go to Russia. They were there for a year. I had a lot of issues with, you know,

3:38:51Jay Dyeradjusting to culture shock type stuff. And then the war broke out. They ended up coming back. So I

3:38:58Jay DyerI don't know, man. I just... I don't know about expat stuff. I don't know what to tell you. I've never

3:39:06Jay Dyertravel... I haven't traveled a whole lot. The FDA has traveled a 100 times more than me than me. Jamie's traveled 10 times more than I have. So I don't I don't know, man. I've I've been a nerd reading books, dude. I don't travel. I've We've traveled more than last ten years than I have my entire life, so I'll put it that

3:39:19Arianaway.

3:39:23Jay DyerMar A Lago face. That's what I'm looking for. That's that's the term, I think, that's what describes what we're talking about.

3:39:37Jay DyerLet's see.

3:39:41Jay DyerIs that what Laura Loomer got?

3:39:45Jay DyerThat makes sense.

3:39:48ArianaLook.

3:39:51Jay Dyer10 Mar A Lago transformations that left people stunned.

3:39:55Jay DyerNow see, this one would look way better on the left.

3:39:57Jay DyerWhy would she do that? That's insane.

3:40:00Jay DyerDid they just do it from the peer pressure of the other Mar A Lago women?

3:40:05Jay DyerIs that it? They're all trying to look like Laura

3:40:07ArianaLoomer?

3:40:07Jay DyerLike, what are they doing? This is insane.

3:40:11ArianaIs

3:40:13Jay Dyerthat that Fox News woman?

3:40:15Jay DyerKimberly Jullo foil?

3:40:17ArianaYikes,

3:40:17Jay Dyerdude. Yeah. Look at that.

3:40:19Jay DyerThey're all trying to become Laura Loomer, dude. What an insane batshit crazy world that would have to be.

3:40:26Jay DyerOf all the... I wanna I wanna look like Laura

3:40:28Jay DyerLoomer.

3:40:29Jay DyerThe hottest chick on the Internet.

3:40:31Jay DyerYeah. Right.

3:40:33Jay DyerOkay. Let's see. I wanna see a real picture of it.

3:40:43Jay DyerGo back to the original one that was the the 10 create

3:40:46Jay DyerSo crazy. They're all, like, turning into trends. I That's

3:40:50Arianawhat

3:40:51Jay Dyerthey're trying to look like Laura Loomer, dude.

3:40:55Jay DyerThey all look like men, though. They've got, like Exactly. It's so

3:40:59Arianacrazy. Let's

3:41:00Jay Dyersee. Let's try... Let's... Oh, I thought this was an article.

3:41:04Jay DyerOkay. The top 10

3:41:08Jay Dyercrazy Mar A Lago faces. Let's see.

3:41:13ArianaYikes.

3:41:15Jay DyerWho told her that she didn't look okay fine on the left picture? That's crazy.

3:41:22Jay DyerThought this is gonna be top 10. What is this crap? This isn't top 10.

3:41:26Jay DyerIt's nothing.

3:41:30Jay DyerAnyway... Okay. Well, thank you for that slow boy. I didn't know that I... That's that's what I guess I was looking for was this this name.

3:41:40Jay DyerAlright, guys. Thank you so much. A lot of fun tonight. Appreciate you supporting me and, FDA. Tonight with Super Chats, and it looks like that's most of what we had in the chats tonight.