non sequitur

A conclusion that does not follow from what came before it.

10 upheld instances

• “… we wouldn't have... Be having 9,000 plus people in here if men didn't have a reproductive problem. Women don't have that problem. I don't see no YouTube channels teaching women how to get laid.”
  Myron Gaines, HEATED Debate w/ Feminists. Wage Gap, Pro Choice ft. @MikeRashidOfficial, watch at 2:14:54
  Diogenes: Myron treats the size of his audience and the existence of male dating-advice channels as proof that "most men don't have sexual access to women." The conclusion doesn't follow: people watch for many reasons, and demand for advice shows interest, not how sexual access is distributed. He made the same move at 111:42.Judged on 2026-09-25 under rules 5175673b7580, since revised
• “… it's aiming at your paradigm is your paradigm. It's you. You are the subjective element in your paradigm.”
  Mike Lowry, Jay Dyer vs Mike Lowry Urantia Debate: Christianity vs Urantianism, watch at 1:37:14
  Diogenes: That a paradigm is held by a person does not make its contents subjective; the inference from "yours" to "merely subjective" does not follow, as the arithmetic counterexample immediately showed.Judged on 2026-09-27 under rules 5175673b7580, since revised
• “Yes. It does. Because if there's a thousand people watching out there or 10,000 people watching out there, they want to know, wait a minute, which one's right?”
  Pastor P, Jay Dyer vs Pastor P Debate Orthodoxy vs Protestantism, Sola Scriptura and Church History, watch at 30:03
  Diogenes: That an audience wants an answer does nothing to show that disagreement between traditions is itself an argument against either, which was the point he was asked to defend.Judged on 2026-09-27 under rules 5175673b7580, since revised
• “I looked up the Eastern churches and there are forty fifty different branches.”
  Pastor P, Jay Dyer vs Pastor P Debate Orthodoxy vs Protestantism, Sola Scriptura and Church History, watch at 36:53
  Diogenes: He runs the argument from disagreement a second time immediately after having it identified as fallacious, without answering the objection that disagreement bears on nobody's truth claim.Judged on 2026-09-27 under rules 5175673b7580, since revised
• “It's not something that can be argued at at an ultimate level because Christians don't agree on the big issues. Should you have big tax cuts, will that create prosperity?”
  Scott Smith, Jay Dyer Debate Vs Gnostic Scott Smith, watch at 1:08:55
  Diogenes: That Christians disagree about tax policy or abortion says nothing about whether morality can be grounded at an ultimate level; the disagreement of others is offered where a justification of his own standard was asked for.Judged on 2026-09-27 under rules 5175673b7580, since revised
• “So we give the university, we give civilization, all these things come from the treasures of Orthodoxy. So I would say that we can prove that our morals, our theology is from God.”
  Jay Dyer, Jay Dyer Debate Vs Gnostic Scott Smith, watch at 1:32:46
  Diogenes: The conclusion drawn is that the theology is from God, but the only support offered in the sentence is a list of civilisational achievements, which would license the same conclusion for any successful culture.Judged on 2026-09-27 under rules 5175673b7580, since revised
• “Because the more complicated it gets, the more elitist it gets, the more it excludes people from being able to participate in the realm of philosophy and most fundamentally it doesn't even achieve what babies can achieve.”
  Stefan Molyneux, Jay Dyer DEBATE! Vs Stefan Molyneux, watch at 1:12:29
  Diogenes: That infants possess object constancy and proto-numeracy bears on whether we have such beliefs, not on whether they can be justified — the very distinction Jay drew and Stefan accepted — and difficulty or "elitism" of vocabulary is no mark against an argument's truth.Judged on 2026-09-27 under rules 5175673b7580, since revised
• “It seems the response to that is that there is no argument or justification for the claim that orthodox theology is a necessary precondition.”
  Jake the Muslim Metaphysician, HEATED DEBATE: Jay Dyer Vs Jake Muslim Metaphysician | Trinity Vs Tawhid -Modern Day Debate, watch at 11:22
  Diogenes: The quoted claim is that the obtaining of the preconditions is not contingent on argument, which does not entail that no argument can be given for asserting them; priority in being is slid into absence of justification.Judged on 2026-09-05 under rules 5db6e582fc0c, since revised
• “That's not my position. When did I ever say that I'm an empiricist? Well, if you're a nominalist, you're an empiricist.”
  Jay Dyer, HEATED DEBATE: Jay Dyer Vs Jake Muslim Metaphysician | Trinity Vs Tawhid -Modern Day Debate, watch at 1:15:41
  Diogenes: Nominalism about universals does not entail empiricism about the sources of knowledge, yet a substantial part of Dyer's opening critique — the Hume parallel, the peripatetic axiom, "naive empiricism" — was built on an attribution Jake never made and which this inference does not license. [Diarization merges the speakers; the inference is Dyer's.]Judged on 2026-09-25 under rules 5175673b7580, since revised
• “I showed you where Jesus the Christ affirms that whatever the pharisees tell you, do it.”
  Ijaz Ahmad, Religion Debate: Islam vs Christianity, watch at 2:52:31
  Diogenes: The verse he is leaning on continues "but do not do what they do," so obedience to their teaching from Moses' seat cannot yield the conclusion he draws from it twice over — that Jesus thereby endorsed Pharisaic practice, child marriage at 127:14 and genocide here.Judged on 2026-09-27 under rules 5175673b7580, since revised