self-contradiction
Contradicting one's own earlier claim or recorded position without acknowledging it.
16 upheld instances
- “Passive means that one is not acting but is acted upon. It is a passive potency.”
Timothy Gordon, The Catholicism or Orthodoxy DEBATE: Tim Gordon vs. Jay Dyer | The Rift, watch at 2:08:29
Diogenes: Gordon defines the Spirit's passive spiration as a passive potency, after arguing in topic one that God can have no passive potency ("therefore, God has no passive potency") and that it would "destroy all of classical theism."Judged on 2026-10-07 under rules 3fcdc91a53f9, since revised - “Didn't make him wait. He just chose to continue to be my friend…”
Penelope, HEATED Debate w/ Feminists. Wage Gap, Pro Choice ft. @MikeRashidOfficial, watch at 1:22:15
Diogenes: At 10:48 Penelope said "I've made a guy wait thirteen years and he waited." Now she denies making him wait, and she doesn't acknowledge the change.Judged on 2026-09-25 under rules 5175673b7580, since revised - “I'm telling you, looks come first and then, like, the career and anything else comes after it,…”
Myron Gaines, HEATED Debate w/ Feminists. Wage Gap, Pro Choice ft. @MikeRashidOfficial, watch at 1:53:57
Diogenes: Two minutes earlier Myron said "when it comes to sexual selection and men choosing you, we don't give a fuck about your careers" and confirmed that this applied within relationships. Now career "comes after" looks and is admitted to matter. He does not acknowledge the reversal.Judged on 2026-09-25 under rules 5175673b7580, since revised - “We never said all. We said We said most. Like, we're speaking on a balance of probability.”
Myron Gaines, HEATED Debate w/ Feminists. Wage Gap, Pro Choice ft. @MikeRashidOfficial, watch at 1:55:17
Diogenes: The record contradicts this. Myron said "Every single time a guy is in a friend zone with you", "Women always want to be treated...", "women want men that other women want, period", and "we don't give a fuck about your careers". His claim that he "never said all" disowns those absolutes without acknowledging them.Judged on 2026-09-25 under rules 5175673b7580, since revised - “Because you're trying to say that like women women are discriminated against all of sudden. Stuff. And I'm telling you, they're not. Like, at all.”
Myron Gaines, HEATED Debate w/ Feminists. Wage Gap, Pro Choice ft. @MikeRashidOfficial, watch at 2:38:39
Diogenes: At 140:43 Myron conceded that a woman being paid less than a man in the same position "out the gate" is "a possibility". Now he says women are not discriminated against "at all", reversing that concession without acknowledging it.Judged on 2026-09-25 under rules 5175673b7580, since revised - “… automatically means you control what's going on, the ball's in your court, which means they are platonic by no choice of their own but by your choice.”
Myron Gaines, HEATED Debate w/ Feminists. Wage Gap, Pro Choice ft. @MikeRashidOfficial, watch at 2:54:05
Diogenes: At 171:32 Myron said "Which means he's not your platonic friend". Now he grants that the friendships "are platonic", only "by your choice", and moves the dispute from whether they are platonic to who holds the leverage. That concedes Penelope's point without acknowledging the reversal. The new leverage argument is coherent in itself.Judged on 2026-09-25 under rules 5175673b7580, since revised - “Saudi Arabia is also secular.”
SNEAKO, Muslim Twitter Triggered, Middleast Wars, Is America A Christian Country Debate With Sneako!, watch at 1:57:21
Diogenes: Moments later SNEAKO himself concedes "it's governed by Islamic law" and "it is the state religion," directly contradicting this initial claim without acknowledging the reversal.Judged on 2026-09-27 under rules 5175673b7580, since revised - “… what has authority in the Orthodox Church is not, quote, unquote, what really happened or a historical reconstruction of what was going on on the ground... And I would compare that to a lot of modernist, you know, our nineteenth century German friends when they try to read, especially the Old Testament, and try and do these reconstructions of what really happened. That's not authoritative. The text is authoritative.”
Stephen De Young, Protestant vs. Orthodox: Scripture and Tradition (Gavin Ortlund + Stephen De Young), watch at 1:05:23
Diogenes: Read blind, without being shown any call on this passage. At 34:44, pressed on the Marian assumption, De Young located the ground of the tradition's authority explicitly in historical facticity: "the origin of that belief for us as Orthodox Christians would be the fact that it happened... historically" — prior to and independent of any later text. Here, facing Ortlund's point that Nicaea II's history is politically messy, De Young flips the ground of authority: "what has authority... is not... what really happened or a historical reconstruction of what was going on on the ground," but only how the council "was received." He needs facticity to ground the Marian tradition but needs reception to insulate Nicaea II from its ugly factual history, and never reconciles the two different loci of authority he invokes for the two cases.Judged on 2026-09-27 under rules 5175673b7580, since revised - “… technically, they are created through the Father…”
Mike Lowry, Jay Dyer vs Mike Lowry Urantia Debate: Christianity vs Urantianism, watch at 1:44:35
Diogenes: At 57:45 Mike insisted "I do believe in the trinity" against Jay's charge of redefinition; here he affirms that the Son and Spirit are created, which is the denial of the doctrine he claimed to hold, and he does not acknowledge the reversal.Judged on 2026-09-27 under rules 5175673b7580, since revised - “So you're saying that you're saying that the council of Carthage was infallible in that case? In that case, yes.”
Pastor P, Jay Dyer vs Pastor P Debate Orthodoxy vs Protestantism, Sola Scriptura and Church History, watch at 1:29:10
Diogenes: His opening thesis was that councils and churches err while only the word of God is perfect; here he grants that a council acted infallibly, without acknowledging the reversal.Judged on 2026-09-27 under rules 5175673b7580, since revised - “You said I was a Pharisee. No. I did not.”
Sarah Mer (caller), Jay Dyer vs Pastor P Debate Orthodoxy vs Protestantism, Sola Scriptura and Church History, watch at 1:52:07
Diogenes: Minutes earlier he had said listening to Jay Dyer "I can't help but think that this is kind of pharisaical," and here he denies having said it rather than defending or withdrawing it.Judged on 2026-09-27 under rules 5175673b7580, since revised - “I'm not making it a a universe [universal] claim... It was subjective from the beginning. It was subjective from the…”
CB Robertson, Debate! Pagan vs. Orthodox: Logos, Language & Metaphysics - Jay Dyer Vs CB Robertson, watch at 1:11:15
Diogenes: CB opened by stating "I happen to believe in objective evil, though I don't believe in objective good" and then said all objective-morality talk is "universally self delusion"; under pressure he recasts the same claim as subjective preference all along, without acknowledging the reversal.Judged on 2026-09-27 under rules 5175673b7580, since revised - “I can't [can] be arbitrary when I wanna be arbitrary. I can't [can do] whatever the fuck. ... It's not a it's not a hard debate format, so I can do whatever I want.”
Austin Peterson, Debate MELTDOWN: Worst Opponent Yet: Austin Peterson Libertarian Debate Vs Jay Dyer, watch at 1:00:26
Diogenes: Moments after insisting "I have a fixed moral principle and a standard," he claims the right to be arbitrary, which withdraws the very thing he was asked to defend.Judged on 2026-09-27 under rules 5175673b7580, since revised - “When you're challenged, you go to ad homonyms [ad hominems]. Why? ... I I don't roll around in the mud with pigs because you both get dirty and the pig enjoys it.”
Austin Peterson, Debate MELTDOWN: Worst Opponent Yet: Austin Peterson Libertarian Debate Vs Jay Dyer, watch at 1:31:33
Diogenes: He objects to being answered with ad hominem while calling his opponents pigs in the same breath, holding others to a standard he abandons.Judged on 2026-09-27 under rules 5175673b7580, since revised - “… you can answer according to that and you can say, oh, but I don't use the word that way and and give another answer. So there's no problem with that whatsoever.”
Jake the Muslim Metaphysician, HEATED DEBATE: Jay Dyer Vs Jake Muslim Metaphysician | Trinity Vs Tawhid -Modern Day Debate, watch at 2:42:46
Diogenes: In cross-examination he had refused exactly this — "I just gave you the definition of power… So according to my definition" — and pressed for a yes or no under his own sense until the moderator had to broker the two definitions, and Jay catches the reversal on the spot: "except that you tried to say that I have to accept that meaning."Judged on 2026-09-27 under rules 5175673b7580, since revised - “Appealing to scholars is a fallacy of authority if you think that proves a position. You argued that there's a bunch of scholars that debate the early church. So what? That has nothing to do with proving a position.”
Jay Dyer, FULL Muslim Lantern Vs Jay Dyer Debate / SNEAKO - Islam / Christianity, watch at 57:11
Diogenes: His own opening rested on named scholars (Sommer, Boyarin, Schäfer) to establish a historical claim, so declaring citation of scholarship worthless when the other side does it applies a standard he does not keep.Judged on 2026-09-25 under rules 5175673b7580, since revised