Appeal: evidence
From Religion Debate: Islam vs Christianity.
- #107512:08upheld Daniel Haqiqatjou epainos: evidence (+1)
The council upheld the call: Daniel Haqiqatjou earned 1 point.
“… in Mark thirteen thirty two in the Bible, we read, but about that day, I e the day of judgment, no one knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the son, but only the father…”
Diogenes: He grounds the "separate minds" charge in a checkable text and a checkable conciliar definition (Third Constantinople's two wills and two energies) rather than bare assertion.- Aristotle uphold: On the record: S2's opening thesis was that the Trinity entails separate minds and is therefore polytheism or incoherent; this citation is part of building that very case from his opening statement, not a new or departing claim. S2 cites a specific, checkable verse (Mark 13:32) as evidence for his claim that the Son and Father have separate knowledge/minds, distinguishing the claim (separate minds = polytheism) from the evidence (this specific text). This is a clean instance of the evidence category.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "evidence". Daniel supports his claim that Father and Son have separate knowledge by quoting a specific, checkable verse (Mark 13:32) rather than merely asserting it. This is a textbook case of distinguishing a claim from the evidence offered for it, and the citation became a live point of contention (Jay later replies it is rhetorical exaggeration) rather than being ignored.
- Plato uphold: On the record: S2's opening thesis was that the Trinity entails separate minds/wills and is thus polytheism; here he cites a specific, checkable biblical verse (Mark 13:32) and later the Third Council of Constantinople to support that claim, consistent with his method of textual and doctrinal citation throughout. Citing a specific verse (and later a named council) as support for a claim, rather than merely asserting it, is a checkable citation distinguishing claim from evidence, which fits the "evidence" label even at minor severity.
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