Appeal: evidence
From Religion Debate: Islam vs Christianity.
- #11442:14:31upheld Jay Dyer epainos: evidence (+1)
The council upheld the call: Jay Dyer earned 1 point.
“… it's not even true in Catholic canon law that that's the age. It's 16 for a guy, and it's 14 for a woman, which, again, presupposes that puberty has already happened.”
Diogenes: He contests Daniel's central factual premise about canon law with specific figures rather than a general denial, putting a checkable claim against a checkable claim.- Aristotle uphold: On the record: This is consistent with Jay's standing position distancing himself from Thomas Aquinas's specific figures and disputing Daniel's canon-law characterization throughout this exchange. Jay contests Daniel's canon-law claim with specific, checkable figures (16 for males, 14 for females, post-puberty), providing a counter-claim that can be verified rather than a bare denial.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "evidence". Jay counters Daniel's citations of medieval sources (Aquinas, Gratian) with a specific, checkable claim about the current Catholic Code of Canon Law figures (16 for males, 14 for females, presupposing puberty), distinguishing the historical sources Daniel used from the operative modern canon law and giving a concrete, verifiable figure rather than a bare denial.
- Plato uphold: On the record: S4 has consistently contested Daniel's canon-law claims about child marriage with specific counter-figures rather than bare denial; this quote cites specific checkable ages (16/14) directly rebutting Daniel's claimed 12-year figure, consistent with his sustained approach in this exchange. Citing specific, checkable canon-law figures against Daniel's claimed figures is a clear instance of evidence rather than a bare denial.
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