Appeal: evidence
From Jay Dyer vs 2 Freemason Christians.
- #118220:26upheld Ryan Terbibull epainos: evidence (+2)
The council upheld the call: Ryan Terbibull earned 2 points.
“The ancient accepted Scottish Rite uses the word dogma in its true sense of doctrine or teaching and is not dogmatic in the odious sense of that term. Everyone is entirely free to reject and dissent from whatsoever herein may seem to be him to be untrue or unsound.”
Diogenes: Asked why Pike's book is titled "Morals and Dogma" if Masonry has no authorities, he answers from the text itself with a located citation (the preface, page 69) rather than restating his thesis.- Aristotle uphold: On the record: S2's declared method was to rebut source-authority claims by showing Masonic writers are not binding authorities; this citation directly supports that method by showing the book itself disclaims dogmatic authority, and is consistent with, not a departure from, his opening position. S2 responds to Jay's specific challenge (why call it "Dogma" if there are no authorities) by quoting Pike's actual preface with a page citation, a checkable textual source distinct from bare assertion, which is a clear instance of evidence.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "evidence". In response to Dyer's challenge over the title "Morals and Dogma," Terbibull does not merely assert his interpretation but reads the actual preface text and cites the specific page (69) where Pike defines his own usage of "dogma," and later reinforces it by citing "Bridge to Light" page 3. This is a checkable textual citation offered as evidence rather than a bare claim.
- Plato uphold: On the record: S2's declared position holds Masonry has no binding dogma or authoritative teachers; this line supports that position with a specific, checkable citation (Pike's preface, page 69) responding directly to Jay's challenge about the book's title, rather than a bare repetition of the thesis. The speaker quotes a located, checkable primary source (Pike's preface with page number) to answer Jay's specific challenge about why the book is titled "Morals and Dogma," which is a genuine instance of citing evidence rather than merely asserting a conclusion.
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