Appeal: direct answer
From Jay Dyer vs 2 Freemason Christians.
- #119736:09upheld Ryan Terbibull epainos: direct answer (+1)
The council upheld the call: Ryan Terbibull earned 1 point.
“At least here like it's explicit that we say we don't allow satanists. ... We've not allowed well, I've we've only had one ever apply for membership in the lodge and he did not get in.”
Diogenes: Asked for the actual rule rather than the practical outcome, he names an explicit jurisdictional prohibition and gives a concrete case from his own lodge.- Aristotle uphold: On the record: Consistent with S2's ongoing position that Masonry has specific membership requirements beyond generic theism; this is a direct, responsive continuation, not a departure. DJ's specific question was whether there is an actual rule violated or merely a voting outcome; Ryan directly answers by identifying an explicit prohibition and a concrete real case from his own lodge, addressing the question asked rather than deflecting to generalities.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "evidence", on the same ledger as the callout. In answer to DJ's direct question about whether there is an actual rule barring satanists, Terbibull cites a specific, checkable instance rather than a vague generality: his own lodge explicitly excludes satanists, and he recalls one concrete applicant who was in fact turned away on that basis.
- Plato uphold: On the record: S2's position has been that Masonry's few explicit requirements combine with practical vetting to exclude bad actors; here, in response to the moderator's direct clarifying question about whether an actual rule (versus mere member preference) would bar a satanist, Ryan names an explicit jurisdictional rule and a concrete real case, directly answering the question asked. The moderator asked specifically whether there was "a principle in which they're violating" versus mere member preference, and Ryan answers directly with an explicit rule and a checkable concrete example from his own lodge, meeting the direct answer criterion.
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