Appeal: explicit argument
From Jay Dyer vs 2 Freemason Christians.
- #12391:46:48upheld Jay Dyer epainos: explicit argument (+1)
The council upheld the call: Jay Dyer earned 1 point.
“He says, the unknown God is the one that you actually worship unknowingly ... So it actually says that we do know the name of God. It's Jesus. It's not Yabalon [Jabulon].”
Diogenes: Asked what Paul would say, he answers from a specific text (Acts 17) and ties it back to his own earlier thread about the lost name of God, giving a premise, a scriptural warrant, and a conclusion rather than a sentiment.- Aristotle uphold: On the record: S1 has held throughout that Masonry's deistic "generic supreme being" and its claimed lost name of God are incompatible with Christian revelation; this argument directly extends that standing thesis using a specific scriptural text rather than departing from it. Jay lays out a genuine explicit argument: citing a specific text (Acts 17), giving Paul's stated premise ("the unknown God... you worship unknowingly"), and drawing a conclusion (that the true name of God is revealed in Christ, not in Masonry's Jabulon) — premises and conclusion plainly stated, not mere rhetoric.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "explicit argument". Jay lays out a clear argument with premises and conclusion: the Athenians worshipped an unknown, unnamed god; Paul in Acts 17 identifies that unknown god as the true God revealed in Christ; Masonry likewise claims a lost/hidden name of God (Jabulon); therefore, on Paul's own reasoning, the true name is Jesus rather than Masonry's Jabulon. It is a concrete, checkable textual appeal (Acts 17) used to draw a conclusion relevant to the debate, rather than a bare assertion.
- Plato uphold: On the record: S1 has held since the opening that Masonry's theological content (including its handling of divine names) is incompatible with and answered by orthodox Christian revelation; this line develops that same thread with a specific scriptural argument rather than departing from it. In response to the moderator's question, Jay cites a specific text (Acts 17, the Areopagus discourse on the "unknown god"), draws out its content, and connects it back to his earlier argument about Masonry's supposed "lost name of God" (Jabulon), concluding that Christianity's answer to the "unknown god" question is Jesus. This has a stated premise, textual warrant, and conclusion, meeting the bar for an explicit argument.
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