Appeal: direct answer
From Jay Dyer vs 2 Freemason Christians.
- #12512:00:09upheld Chase Geyser epainos: direct answer (+1)
The council upheld the call: Chase Geyser earned 1 point.
“As a Christian certainly, as a Mason, not explicitly. In in the lodge itself, we can't discuss religion or politics. ... Naturally, as you get to know people as individuals, build relationships you end up having these conversations.”
Diogenes: Asked whether he evangelises fellow members, he answers without evasion and marks the distinction between the lodge's rule and private friendship, including the part that is awkward for his side.The archon moved this call from Ryan Terbibull to Chase Geyser, who said the line. The referee's reason above was written when it was on Ryan Terbibull.
- Aristotle uphold: On the record: S2 has held since the opening that the lodge itself takes no religious position and leaves belief to the individual member; this answer is consistent with and elaborates that same standing account rather than departing from it. Asked directly whether he proselytizes fellow Masons, Ryan answers plainly rather than deflecting, distinguishing the lodge's formal no-religion-or-politics rule from what happens in private friendships — a direct, undodged answer that even concedes a point in tension with the "pure fraternity" framing.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "direct answer". Asked whether he and his Masonic brothers attempt to evangelize Muslim or Buddhist members, Ryan answers plainly and specifically rather than deflecting: yes personally as a Christian, no as an institutional Masonic practice since religion and politics are barred from lodge business, though personal relationships built through the fraternity naturally lead to such conversations outside it.
- Plato uphold: On the record: S2 has held since the opening that Masonry is a decentralized fraternity that leaves religious matters to the individual and does not itself proselytize or take theological positions; this answer applies that standing view directly to the question asked. Asked directly whether Masons proselytize fellow members, Ryan answers plainly, distinguishing the formal in-lodge prohibition on religious discussion from the natural occurrence of such conversations in private friendships built through the fraternity — including the point that could complicate his "no religious content" framing rather than concealing it.
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