Appeal: evidence
From Jay Dyer vs 2 Freemason Christians.
- #12552:05:41upheld Ryan Terbibull epainos: evidence (+2)
The council upheld the call: Ryan Terbibull earned 2 points.
“Here is the full quote and technically not even a full one because there's there's a lot more to it. But the the apocalypse is to those who receive the nineteenth degree, the apotheosis of that sublime faith which aspires to God alone and despises the pomps and works of Lucifer.”
Diogenes: He answers the most-cited anti-Masonic passage by reading the surrounding text aloud from the book in hand and giving the construal that fits it, which is checkable by anyone with the volume.- Aristotle uphold: On the record: S2 has held throughout that Masonic authors' writings are not authoritative dogma but must be read in full context rather than selectively quoted; producing and reading the full passage is a direct application of that same standing objection. Ryan reads the fuller passage directly from the primary source Jay cited, giving a checkable textual quotation that anyone with the book can verify, rather than a bare assertion — squarely the distinction between claim and evidence.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "evidence". Ryan supplies the actual, fuller text from Morals and Dogma rather than relying on the truncated fragment Jay had quoted, showing the passage in context states the Masonic faith of the 19th degree "aspires to God alone and despises the pomps and works of Lucifer" — a checkable citation used to correct a quotation taken out of context.
- Plato uphold: On the record: S2 has held since the opening that no individual Masonic author speaks authoritatively and that claims about Masonic teaching should be checked against the actual sources rather than taken on faith from either side; reading the full quotation directly from the book is a direct application of that standing evidentiary method. Ryan reads the passage directly from the primary text (Morals and Dogma) in his possession, providing the actual surrounding language rather than a bare assertion, which is checkable by anyone who consults the book. This meets the evidence standard — a specific citable source used to ground a claim about what the passage actually says, deployed against the single most-cited anti-Masonic proof text in the debate.
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