Appeal: clarification
From Jay Dyer vs Pastor P Debate Orthodoxy vs Protestantism, Sola Scriptura and Church History.
- #13861:27:01upheld Pastor P epainos: clarification (+1)
The council upheld the call: Pastor P earned 1 point.
“I thought he was saying that, the liturgy that that, had was in the synagogues was being repeated in the church, and I I haven't seen that. Is that a misunderstanding?”
Diogenes: Instead of pressing his objection, he states what he took his opponent to mean and asks whether he has it right — the first time in the exchange either man checks an interpretation before answering it.- Aristotle uphold: On the record: Pastor P's declared position (sola scriptura, the perfect written word over church tradition) is untouched by this exchange; the line is a neutral clarifying check on a caller's point about synagogue versus church liturgy, not a departure from or restatement of his substantive thesis. Pastor P explicitly restates what he took the caller to mean ("I thought he was saying...") and asks "Is that a misunderstanding?" before responding further — this is a textbook instance of asking for clarification rather than assuming the opponent's/caller's meaning, matching the definition precisely.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "clarification". Rather than continuing to argue against what he assumed the caller and Jay meant about synagogue liturgy carrying over into the church, Pastor P pauses to state his understanding of their claim and explicitly asks whether he has misread it — a genuine request for clarification instead of pressing on with an assumption.
- Plato uphold: On the record: Pastor P's opening framework does not bear directly on this micro-exchange about synagogue/church liturgy; the move is a good-faith clarificatory question consistent with engaging honestly with an objection, not a departure from or restatement of his sola scriptura thesis. Faced with a caller's point that seemed to contradict something he'd said, Pastor P restates what he understood the objection to be ("the liturgy... was being repeated in the church") and explicitly asks "Is that a misunderstanding?" before responding further — this is a genuine request for clarification rather than an assumption, matching the definition given.
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