Appeal: direct answer
From Jay Dyer vs Pastor P Debate Orthodoxy vs Protestantism, Sola Scriptura and Church History.
- #13891:32:29upheld Pastor P epainos: direct answer (+1)
The council upheld the call: Pastor P earned 1 point.
“… first of all, I accept the the Bible that Jesus used when he was on Earth, the the Hebrew canon slash Septuagint, which was the Hebrew canon translated into Greek. He quoted both, so it seems.”
Diogenes: Asked plainly what the word of God is and why, he finally names a criterion other than "God blessed it" — the scriptures Christ himself used and quoted — which is an answer that can be examined.- Aristotle uphold: On the record: Pastor P has held since the opening that scripture's authority rests on divine blessing/providence, generally offered as bare assertion rather than argued criteria; this line is consistent with that overall position but for once supplies an actual criterion (what Jesus/apostles used and quoted) rather than only asserting belief, so it is a genuine direct answer rather than a repeat of the bare assertion pattern. Solomon's question was compound — "what is the word of God, and why do you believe that" — and Pastor P had spent most of the debate answering with bare assertions ("I believe God blessed it") that Jay repeatedly flagged as non-arguments. Here he instead names a specific, checkable criterion for canonicity — the Hebrew canon and Septuagint that Christ himself quoted — which is substantive content responsive to the question asked, not a mere restatement of belief.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "evidence", on the same ledger as the callout. Pressed by Solomon to give more than a bare "I believe," Pastor P here offers a checkable historical claim rather than a mere assertion: that Jesus and the apostles are on record quoting from the Hebrew canon and the Septuagint. This is a genuine attempt at evidence rather than bare assertion, though its force is undercut moments later in the same answer, where he treats the Apocrypha within that same Septuagint as lesser and then, per Solomon's follow-up, still ends by falling back to "that's the word of God as I understand it."
- Plato uphold: On the record: S1's standing position throughout was to ground his canon in bare assertions of divine blessing ("I believe God blessed it") rather than argument; this line is a partial departure in that it offers, for the Old Testament portion, an actual criterion (Christ's usage) that can be checked against the text. Asked directly "what is the word of God, and why do you believe that... instead of just saying I believe," S1 for once supplies a specific, checkable criterion (the canon Jesus himself quoted from) rather than his recurring refrain of "God blessed it" — this is a genuine direct answer to the question as posed, even though he later reverts to bare assertion for the New Testament portion.
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