Appeal: self-contradiction
From Jay Dyer vs Pastor P Debate Orthodoxy vs Protestantism, Sola Scriptura and Church History.
- #13971:52:07upheld Sarah Mer (caller) psogos: self-contradiction (+1)
The council upheld the call: Sarah Mer (caller) gave away 1 point.
“You said I was a Pharisee. No. I did not.”
Diogenes: Minutes earlier he had said listening to Jay Dyer "I can't help but think that this is kind of pharisaical," and here he denies having said it rather than defending or withdrawing it.- Aristotle uphold: On the record: Sarah Mer (caller) declared and pressed the charge throughout his call that Jay Dyer's approach came across as "pharisaical," explicitly saying at 108:45–50 "when I listen to Jay Dyer, I can't help but think that this is kind of pharisaical, isn't it?" — a position he held and even doubled down on moments later ("Maybe. Maybe."). The verified transcript confirms both halves: the caller's own statement calling Jay's approach "pharisaical," and his later flat denial ("No. I did not") when Jay recalls that he was called a pharisee — rather than defending the charge or withdrawing it, he simply denies having made it at all, which is an unacknowledged reversal of his own earlier, explicit words.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "self-contradiction". Earlier in this same call the caller explicitly told Jay "I can't help but think that this is kind of pharisaical, isn't it?" and repeated the charge several times. Minutes later, pressed on the accusation, he flatly denies ever having said it ("Did not"), contradicting his own words from the same exchange without acknowledging the reversal.
- Plato uphold: On the record: The caller's position of record in this exchange was her charge that Jay's answer was "pharisaical," and the called line is a bare denial of having made that very charge, a departure from (not a restatement of) what she is on record as having said. The caller explicitly said, minutes earlier, "when I listen to Jay Dyer, I can't help but think that this is kind of pharisaical, isn't it?" — plainly calling his conduct pharisaical. When Jay later says "you said I was a pharisee," she flatly denies it ("No. I did not... No. I'm not lying") rather than defending, clarifying, or withdrawing her earlier remark. This is a clean case of contradicting one's own recent claim without acknowledging the reversal.
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