Appeal: evidence
From Jay Dyer vs Styx Debate Abortion – Pro-Life vs Government Overreach.
- #14093:21upheld Jay Dyer epainos: evidence (+1)
The council upheld the call: Jay Dyer earned 1 point.
“… it's connected to a whole lot of other social engineering programs that you can actually verify. For example, there's the 1969 Jaffee…”
Diogenes: Rather than leaving the social-engineering claim as assertion, he names a specific, checkable document (the 1969 Jaffe/Berelson memo) as the evidence for it.- Aristotle uphold: On the record: Jay Dyer's opening thesis was that abortion is a moral question tied to a genealogy of eugenic/social-engineering programs behind the abortion movement (Planned Parenthood's origins); this line is a direct continuation of that thread, naming a specific document as checkable support rather than leaving it as bare assertion. He distinguishes the claim (large-scale social engineering behind abortion promotion) from a citable, checkable piece of evidence (the 1969 Jaffe/Berelson memo), which fits the 'evidence' category even though he doesn't fully elaborate its contents in this exact moment (he does so more fully moments later).
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "evidence". Rather than resting on the bare assertion that abortion is tied to broader social-engineering agendas, Jay Dyer names a specific, checkable source (the 1969 Bernard Berelson memo tied to the Rockefeller Foundation) and explicitly invites verification ("you can actually verify"). This is a case of distinguishing claim from evidence by citing something concrete, even though the interpretation of that document could itself be contested later.
- Plato uphold: On the record: Jay Dyer opened with a moral-paradigm/genealogical-critique framework tying abortion to eugenic and social-engineering origins, and this line is a direct continuation of that same standing claim, now anchored to a named document rather than departing from it. Jay Dyer's genealogical-critique method rests on citing specific historical documents (eugenic origins, social-engineering programs) to support his moral-paradigm argument against abortion funding. Here he names a specific, checkable document (the Bernard Berelson/Rockefeller-Jaffe 1969 memo) as evidence for his claim of connected social engineering programs, rather than leaving it as bare assertion. This is a genuine citation of something checkable, consistent with his stated method throughout the debate (he later also cites Horowitz and Collier's biography, David Rockefeller's memoirs, Quigley's Tragedy and Hope).
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