Appeal: evidence
From Jay Dyer vs Pedro from Crucible Debate: Sola Scriptura and Protestantism.
- #145742:56upheld Jay Dyer epainos: evidence (+2)
The council upheld the call: Jay Dyer earned 2 points.
“… you could read a normative work on the canon from a Protestant, from a Baptist, Lee MacDonald. He has a whole appendix of dozens and dozens of references in the New Testament books to the deuterocanonical text.”
Diogenes: Met with a flat denial, he answers with a named, checkable source deliberately drawn from his opponent's own tradition, so the evidence cannot be dismissed as partisan.- Aristotle uphold: On the record: Jay Dyer's method has consistently relied on citing specific named scholars and texts (Schaff, McGrath, F.F. Bruce, MacDonald) to ground his historical-continuity case; here, faced with Pedro's flat denial that the NT cites the deuterocanon, he names a specific Protestant/Baptist scholar and work as a checkable source. This is a genuine citation of checkable, named evidence offered from within the opponent's own tradition to rebut a denial, matching the "evidence" category; the severity is arguable but not indefensible given its use to settle a live factual dispute in the debate.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "evidence". Rather than merely asserting that the New Testament cites the Deuterocanon, Jay points to a specific, checkable source (Lee MacDonald, a Protestant scholar, and his appendix cataloguing such references) that a listener could go verify, distinguishing his claim from the evidence for it.
- Plato uphold: On the record: This is consistent with Jay's running method throughout the debate of grounding the canon dispute in citable scholarship rather than assertion; no departure from his declared approach. Jay names a specific, checkable source (Lee MacDonald's work on the canon, from within Pedro's own Baptist/Protestant tradition) with a specific checkable claim (an appendix cataloguing dozens of NT citations of deuterocanonical texts), directly rebutting Pedro's flat denial about apostolic citation of the Deuterocanon.
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