Appeal: evidence
From Jay Dyer vs Pedro from Crucible Debate: Sola Scriptura and Protestantism.
- #147352:51upheld Jay Dyer epainos: evidence (+1)
The council upheld the call: Jay Dyer earned 1 point.
“Actually Paul at times does cite tradition. Jesus said it is more blessed to give than to receive, that's not written anywhere. So Paul refers to Jesus tradition,…”
Diogenes: Pedro built a careful setup that tradition is absent where Paul argues from scripture; Jay answers with a specific unwritten saying of Christ that Paul cites, which defeats the inference from silence with a counterexample rather than a denial.- Aristotle uphold: On the record: Jay has held since his opening that the word of God is both written and oral, evidenced by specific historical/textual examples; this line is a continuation of that same method, not a departure. Jay's stated framework from the outset is that the word of God is both written and oral, and throughout the debate he has repeatedly supported this with specific, checkable textual examples (the seat of Moses, 2 Chronicles 29, non-canonical books referenced as true, etc.). Here, in response to Pedro's setup that Paul's argumentation to the Jews is purely scriptural, Jay produces a specific, checkable example: Paul citing an unwritten saying of Jesus ("more blessed to give than receive," cf. Acts 20:35, not found in the Gospels). This is a concrete citation offered as evidence for his standing claim, not a new or contradictory position, and it is checkable against the text. It fits the philosopher category of "evidence" well.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "evidence". Pedro had just asked whether Paul's argumentation with the Jews shows tradition to be "absent" since he argues only from scripture; Dyer directly answers by citing a specific, checkable instance (Acts 20:35, "it is more blessed to give than to receive") of Paul transmitting an oral saying of Jesus not recorded in any Gospel, which is exactly the kind of concrete example needed to support his oral-tradition thesis rather than a bare assertion.
- Plato uphold: On the record: Jay Dyer has held since the opening that the word of God is both written and oral, and that Paul's ministry included citation of oral tradition alongside scripture; this quote gives a specific, checkable instance (the unwritten saying "it is more blessed to give than to receive," found at Acts 20:35) directly answering Pedro's line of questioning about Paul's argumentation, consistent with his running position rather than a departure from it. The quote cites a specific, identifiable saying of Jesus (Acts 20:35) that is not recorded in the Gospels, used to rebut Pedro's inference-from-silence framing that Paul relied only on scripture; this is a concrete, checkable counterexample rather than a bare assertion, fitting the "evidence" label.
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