Appeal: direct answer
From Jay Dyer vs Pedro from Crucible Debate: Sola Scriptura and Protestantism.
- #15571:05:25upheld Pedro epainos: direct answer (+2)
The council upheld the call: Pedro earned 2 points.
“The list in the father's head is infallible. What he has given to us and what we know is fallible.”
Diogenes: Pinned on whether the canon list he possesses is infallible, Pedro bites the bullet and answers the question actually asked instead of retreating into a qualifier.- Aristotle uphold: On the record: Pedro's opening and standing position is precisely that the canon list we possess is fallible while the infallible list exists only in the mind of God; the quoted line at 65:25 is not a new concession but a direct, clear restatement of that same framework in answer to Jay's repeated pinning question "Is the list infallible that we have today?". Jay asked directly whether the possessed canon list is infallible, and Pedro answered plainly and without equivocation that it is not, distinguishing it from the infallible list in God's mind — this is a direct answer to the question actually asked, even though it merely restates his opening position rather than introducing anything new.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "concession", on the same ledger as the callout. Pressed by Jay on whether the canon list itself (not just the books) is infallible, Pedro directly answers "No" and locates infallibility only in God's mind, admitting the list "what he has given to us and what we know is fallible" — a straightforward concession of a real weakness in his position rather than an evasion, consistent with the divine-decretalism framework he stated from the opening.
- Plato uphold: On the record: Pedro has held since the opening that the canon we possess is a fallible artifact while an infallible list exists only in God's mind and is inaccessible to him; the quoted line is a restatement of that same position in direct response to Jay's question, not a departure from it. Pedro's opening staked the position that the church's canon list is fallible while the true, infallible list exists only in the mind of God, to which he has no access; this is exactly what he restates here in direct response to Jay's pointed question "Is the list infallible that we have today?" He answers plainly, without evasion, and immediately follows with an equally direct "no" when asked if he has access to God's list. That is a genuine direct answer to the question on the table, not a retreat.
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