Appeal: evidence
From Protestant vs. Orthodox: Scripture and Tradition (Gavin Ortlund + Stephen De Young).
- #157627:42upheld Gavin Ortlund epainos: evidence (+1)
The council upheld the call: Gavin Ortlund earned 1 point.
“… the confession of Dysithia [Dositheus] says the church is not inferior to the scripture because she is likewise infallible…”
Diogenes: Rather than attributing a view to Orthodoxy in his own words, he cites a specific named Orthodox confessional document his opponent can check and contest.- Aristotle uphold: On the record: S2 has held since the opening that Protestant sola scriptura denies infallibility to any post-apostolic authority, and warns that competing traditions claim church-infallibility "tantamount" to scripture; this citation of Dositheus is a specific instance of that standing concern, correctly sourced. The verifier confirms the quoted content matches the named document verbatim in substance, satisfying "distinguishing claim from evidence and citing something checkable"; this is consistent with, not a departure from, S2's opening framework.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "evidence". Ortlund grounds his worry about ecclesial infallibility not in a vague caricature but in a specific, checkable historical document, the 1672 Confession of Dositheus, quoting its claim that the church is "not inferior to the scripture because she is likewise infallible." This is citing a concrete text to support the claim rather than merely asserting it, which is the "evidence" merit even though S3's own stated position (corporate, fallible-in-parts guidance) differs somewhat from the confession's stronger wording.
- Plato uphold: On the record: S2 has held since his opening that sola scriptura is defended by appeal to specific, checkable textual sources rather than bare assertion, and this citation of the Confession of Dositheus is consistent with that practice throughout. Ortlund's stated method throughout is to ground his sola scriptura position in specific citable sources (Turretin, Kemnitz's eight uses of "tradition," Galatians 1:8, 2 Tim 3:16), and here he continues that pattern by naming a specific Orthodox confessional document to substantiate his claim that some articulations of church authority claim parity with scripture's infallibility. The verifier confirms the citation is accurate in substance; this is a textbook instance of citing checkable evidence rather than merely asserting.
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