Appeal: moving the goalposts
From Muslim Twitter Triggered, Middleast Wars, Is America A Christian Country Debate With Sneako!.
- #18502:00:58upheld SNEAKO psogos: moving the goalposts (+1)
The council upheld the call: SNEAKO gave away 1 point.
“I'm saying they don't follow sharia to a tee... But their government does follow Islamic ruling far more specifically than America following Christianity…”
Diogenes: Having set "degeneracy disqualifies a country from its religious label" as the test for UAE, and then facing the counterexample that Saudi Arabia has the same degeneracy, SNEAKO replaces that test with a new one (formal legal codes) to keep Saudi counted as Muslim while excluding America.- Aristotle uphold: On the record: SNEAKO's declared criterion for classifying a country religiously was legal/formal governance, but when arguing against UAE being "Muslim" he explicitly set vice (casinos, prostitutes) as the disqualifying test ("if it was a Muslim country, you wouldn't have casinos in Dubai"); when Myron met that same test by pointing out Saudi Arabia has identical vice, SNEAKO abandoned the vice-test and switched to the formal-legal-governance test specifically to keep Saudi Arabia classified as Muslim while still excluding America. The condition (vice disqualifies religious classification) was explicitly set for the UAE case, was met by Myron's Saudi counterexample, and was then replaced without acknowledgment by a different condition (formal legal codification) precisely to save Saudi Arabia's classification — this is the goalpost-move pattern rather than a mere restatement of a single consistent standard.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "self-contradiction", on the same ledger as the callout. This "follows Islamic ruling far more specifically than America following Christianity" stands in direct tension with SNEAKO's own earlier claim just minutes before that "Saudi Arabia is also secular" (117:21), and rather than owning the shift when S1 explicitly names it ("your framework earlier... was whether degeneracy existed"), SNEAKO denies any change occurred ("It's not what I'm saying," "I'm not gonna look, I'm clarifying what I said") instead of acknowledging he has moved from calling Saudi secular to conceding its government substantially follows Islamic law.
- Plato uphold: On the record: SNEAKO's stated test for UAE was that visible degeneracy (casinos, prostitution) proves a government isn't enforcing Islamic law and thus the country doesn't count as Muslim; when that same test is met against Saudi Arabia, he replaces it with a formal-legal-code test instead of applying his own stated criterion evenly. The condition he actually set for the UAE ("if it was a Muslim country... you wouldn't have casinos... prostitutes") is a real goalpost, and when Myron shows Saudi Arabia has the same degeneracy, SNEAKO does not apply his own test but swaps to "governed by Islamic law... far more specifically" without revisiting whether UAE also meets that new standard, which is the goalpost-move the rubric defines.
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