Appeal: begging the question
From @deanwithrs Gets DESTROYED In Heated Debate On God Then RUNS.
- #19277:29upheld Cooley psogos: begging the question (+2)
The council upheld the call: Cooley gave away 2 points.
“… logic needs something to be grounded because it needs to be grounded in minds. Concepts are held in minds. Right?”
Diogenes: The step to a grounding mind rests on logic being a concept, which Dean had just explicitly denied; the host asserts it without argument ("It is a concept") rather than defending it.- Aristotle uphold: On the record: Cooley has held since the opening a TAG framework that logic, as a transcendental precondition, must ultimately be grounded in a mind and traces to God; here he advances that very argument by asserting logic must be grounded in minds because "concepts are held in minds," even though Dean had already explicitly denied moments earlier (06:40-07:04) that logic is a concept, calling it instead a real platonic object. The premise needed to complete Cooley's grounding argument, that logic is a concept, is exactly the point already in dispute and denied by Dean on the record, yet Cooley proceeds as if granted and, once challenged, only reasserts "It is a concept" rather than arguing for it; assuming the contested premise to reach the desired conclusion is a fair instance of begging the question, and it sits at the center of his transcendental argument, supporting major severity.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "begging the question". Cooley moves from "we discovered logic" to "logic needs something to be grounded... because it needs to be grounded in minds. Concepts are held in minds" — this only follows if logic is itself a concept, but Dean had just explicitly denied that a moment earlier (06:40-42, "No. It's a it's a real thing," not a concept), and Dean immediately protests again ("I said it wasn't a concept") right after this line. Cooley presents the disputed premise as settled ("Right?") to advance his chain toward the mind-dependence conclusion, the same move later repeated almost verbatim at 11:11 which was already flagged as begging the question.
- Plato uphold: On the record: S0 (Cooley) has held throughout that transcendental preconditions of knowledge (here, logic) must be grounded in a mind, ultimately God's; at this exact moment he advances that chain by asserting "concepts are held in minds" as though "logic is a concept" were already settled, when Dean had just denied it, and when Dean immediately demands the argument ("I said it wasn't a concept. What's the argument?"), Cooley's answer is simply "It is a concept" — a bare reassertion, not a defense. The premise needed to reach "grounded in minds" — that logic is a concept — is exactly the point in dispute at that moment, and Cooley treats it as already granted with a seeking "Right?" rather than arguing for it; this is petitio principii even though he later (from ~10:00) offers a fuller argument for the same premise, since that later argument does not retroactively supply what was missing here.
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