Appeal: evidence
From Jay Dyer vs Pastor P Debate Orthodoxy vs Protestantism, Sola Scriptura and Church History.
- #197345:22upheld Jay Dyer epainos: evidence (+1)
The council upheld the call: Jay Dyer earned 1 point.
“… text. So so the New Testament collection known as the received text is the Byzantine text.”
Diogenes: He points to a checkable fact of transmission history: the received text Pastor P credits to Erasmus is the Byzantine church's text.- Aristotle uphold: On the record: S0 has held since his opening that the canon and text of scripture are historical facts transmitted through specific church traditions, not free-floating texts; this line is a direct, confirmed application of that same standing claim, not a departure from it. Jay makes a specific, checkable historical claim about textual transmission (the Received Text underlying the KJV tradition is the Byzantine text-type), which the verifier confirms as accurate and undisputed in textual scholarship; this is exactly the kind of checkable factual claim, distinct from mere assertion, that the "evidence" label rewards, and it does real argumentative work by showing Pastor P's own textual lineage traces to the Byzantine/Orthodox transmission he is arguing against.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "evidence". Rather than merely asserting that Pastor P's textual tradition owes something to the church, Jay names a specific, checkable historical/text-critical fact: the Textus Receptus that underlies Pastor P's King James New Testament is drawn from the Byzantine text-type of Greek manuscripts. This distinguishes claim from evidence and sets up the point he presses moments later at 47:08 (already found to contain a fallacy-spotted callout), that Pastor P is relying on the very Byzantine-church transmission he elsewhere treats as irrelevant to canon-authority.
- Plato uphold: On the record: S0 declared in his opening and has held throughout that the canon/text of scripture is a historical fact tied to a specific ecclesial tradition rather than free-floating; this line applies that standing argument by citing a checkable fact of textual-transmission history (the Textus Receptus is Byzantine-text-type) to press that Pastor P's own "received text" traces to the church whose tradition Jay is defending. The verifier confirms the claim as an accurate, checkable fact of textual-critical history, not mere assertion; citing it to advance the argument (Erasmus's text = Byzantine text = the tradition Jay is defending) is a proper instance of evidence, consistent with Jay's declared reliance on historical/textual fact throughout the debate.
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