Appeal: clarification
From HEATED Debate w/ Feminists. Wage Gap, Pro Choice ft. @MikeRashidOfficial.
- #198145:51upheld Myron Gaines epainos: clarification (+1)
The council upheld the call: Myron Gaines earned 1 point.
“Can you define can you define like evolve traditional? Because that's a very ambiguous term.”
Diogenes: Rather than assume what Kimberly means by "evolved traditional", Myron asks her to define it before arguing about gender roles, and says why: the term is ambiguous.- Aristotle uphold: On the record: Myron's consistent method across the debate is to demand concrete definitions/operationalizations from the women before arguing against their framing (e.g., "define dating," "define evolved traditional"), and this line is a straightforward continuation of that stance, not a departure. Myron's stance throughout has been to press interlocutors on vague self-descriptions and pin down concrete claims before arguing (e.g., his repeated "peel back a layer" method). Here, when Kimberly calls herself "evolved traditional," he explicitly flags the term as "very ambiguous" and asks her to define it rather than assuming a meaning, which she then does ("as far as a man is going to do certain things..."). This is a textbook clarification: asking for a definition instead of assuming, and the record shows it functioned as such since Kimberly proceeded to explain.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "clarification". Kimberly had just called herself "evolved traditional" without explaining what that meant; rather than assume, Myron asks her to define the ambiguous term before responding, and she then answers with a concrete example (give-and-take based on what the man provides). This is a straightforward request for definition before argument, which he then engages with in the following exchange.
- Plato uphold: On the record: Myron's running position throughout is that women give politically-correct or vague answers that don't match their actual behavior/preferences; here, rather than assuming Kimberly's meaning, he pauses to ask her to define her term, which is consistent with (and in service of) that broader probing style rather than a departure from it. Myron directly asks Kimberly to define an ambiguous term she introduced ("evolved traditional") before proceeding to argue about it, and states his reason for asking (ambiguity). This fits the clarification criterion cleanly: he does not assume her meaning but requests a definition first, and then builds his subsequent argument on her answer. This is a small, clean instance of the move.
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