Appeal: fallacy spotted
From HEATED Debate w/ Feminists. Wage Gap, Pro Choice ft. @MikeRashidOfficial.
- #19961:25:13upheld Myron Gaines epainos: fallacy spotted (+1)
The council upheld the call: Myron Gaines earned 1 point.
“At the top of the show, you did say he waited thirteen years for you.”
Diogenes: Myron correctly points out Penelope's unacknowledged reversal; the transcript at 10:48 does say "I've made a guy wait thirteen years", and she concedes it ("Okay. I guess.").- Aristotle uphold: On the record: Myron's declared method throughout is to press for exact accountability against what a speaker literally said, testing self-reports against the record; here he holds Penelope to her own words rather than departing from that pattern. The quote is accurate: at 10:48 Penelope said "I've made a guy wait thirteen years and he waited," and by 82:15 she was denying "I didn't make him wait." Myron's line at 85:13 correctly holds her to her own earlier words, and she concedes it ("Okay. I guess."). This is a well-founded catch grounded in the transcript, not a misrepresentation.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "evidence", on the same ledger as the callout. Myron's claim checks out against the transcript: earlier Penelope did say "I've made a guy wait thirteen years and he waited" and "he waited and then he wanted to marry me" (10:48-11:01), and here she is retreating to "I didn't make him wait, he just chose to continue to be my friend." Myron accurately quotes her own earlier words back at her to substantiate the charge that she is walking back her claim — this is a checkable citation used to pin down a real inconsistency, not a misrepresentation.
- Plato uphold: On the record: Myron's declared framework throughout is that he argues from the transcript's own record against women's shifting or "politically correct" self-presentation, and this line — checking Penelope's current claim against her own opening statement — is squarely inside that consistent line of attack, not a departure from it. The quote is accurate: at 10:48 Penelope said "I made him wait thirteen years" and repeated the framing several times (17:20, 17:25), then at 82:15 she reversed to "Didn't make him wait." Myron's line at 85:13 correctly cites the earlier record against her present claim, and she concedes ("Okay. I guess."). This is a legitimate, checkable catch of an unacknowledged reversal. The only quibble is the label: "self-contradiction" is its own listed category and not part of the enumerated "named fallacy" list that "fallacy spotted" is built around, so "explicit argument" (or simply crediting the self-contradiction catch) fits more precisely than "fallacy spotted" — but the substance is sound and philosopher-worthy either way.
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