Appeal: hasty generalisation
From HEATED Debate w/ Feminists. Wage Gap, Pro Choice ft. @MikeRashidOfficial.
- #19971:26:03upheld Myron Gaines psogos: hasty generalisation (+1)
The council upheld the call: Myron Gaines gave away 1 point.
“Even the most sexually liberated girls are gonna lie about their body count, they're gonna lie about what they've done in their past…”
Diogenes: This is another universal claim about all women with no evidence behind it, used once more to discount what the women on the panel have said about themselves; it repeats the pattern already called at 49:12 and 54:32.- Aristotle uphold: On the record: Myron's opening and consistently held stance is to present his claims about "women" as fact/study-backed generalizations rather than personal opinion; this line is a straightforward continuation of that pattern, not a departure from it — but the pattern itself, applied here with an unqualified universal ("even the most... will lie"), is unsupported and thus a hasty generalisation. Myron's declared and consistently held method throughout is to frame sweeping claims about "women" as a class as fact-based/studies-backed rather than as opinion or engagement with the individual women's testimony on the panel (the "honeymoon stage" chastity claim, "women don't know what they want," "most women want to get married," etc.). This line — "Even the most sexually liberated girls are gonna lie about their body count" — is a universal claim about an entire class with an explicit "even the most X will still Y" hedge that makes it maximally general, and it carries no citation, consistent with the same unsupported-generalization pattern already found at 49:12 and elsewhere in the record. It is not a dodge of a specific question nor an attack on a person's reliability tied to the claim (so not ad hominem here), and it is not a restatement of a prior specific commitment being walked back (so not self-contradiction) — it is simply another sweeping generalization asserted as settled fact with zero evidence, which is the definition of hasty generalisation.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "hasty generalisation". Myron asserts as flat, unqualified fact that "even the most sexually liberated girls are gonna lie about their body count, they're gonna lie about what they've done in their past" — a universal claim about all women's honesty grounded in no evidence, cited study, or checkable source, only his own assertion of what women "understand on an innate level." This is of a piece with his other sweeping claims through the debate ("most women want to get married," "women are never going to tell unflattering realities") which were called hasty generalisation for the same reason: a particular-to-universal leap offered as settled fact rather than argued.
- Plato uphold: On the record: Myron has held since early in the debate that he argues from objective "facts"/studies about women as a class rather than feelings, and has repeatedly generalized from anecdote or unnamed research to sweeping claims about "women"; this line is squarely within that established pattern, not a new departure. Myron's declared framework since the opening is that he speaks in "facts" and unnamed studies while dismissing women's self-reports as performative or dishonest; here he makes an unsupported universal claim ("even the most sexually liberated girls are gonna lie") about all women's honesty regarding body count, precisely the kind of unevidenced sweeping inference from category membership already flagged at 49:12, 51:48, and 54:32. The line is a continuation of, not a departure from, his running pattern, and no citation or checkable evidence accompanies it.
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