Appeal: tu quoque
From HEATED Debate w/ Feminists. Wage Gap, Pro Choice ft. @MikeRashidOfficial.
- #20071:42:35upheld Myron Gaines psogos: tu quoque (+1)
The council upheld the call: Myron Gaines gave away 1 point.
“He's not disrespecting you because I guarantee that you were talking to other dudes too. Women play the game too.”
Diogenes: Myron answers Kimberly's complaint that she was disrespected with an accusation that she did the same. He has no evidence about her ("I guarantee"), and the accusation stands in for any answer to whether the man's conduct was disrespectful.Herodotus (no): Kimberly and Myron have no prior debate history on record together — she appears once, as a panelist on this single Fresh & Fit episode, with no site record of faults or prior clashes. The site's own log for Myron (2 debates) shows a real pattern of ad hominem, appeal to authority, and hasty generalisation, but no prior "tu quoque" specifically, so this callout adds a new fault type rather than confirming a repeated one against this particular opponent. Public reporting on the Fresh & Fit format (e.g., Black Enterprise's piece on a viral segment "targeting" a female guest) documents a broader recurring show pattern of hosts dismissing/needling women panelists' complaints, which is consistent with tonight's move but is a pattern about the show's format generally, not a documented history between these two individuals. Sources: https://www.blackenterprise.com/fresh-fit-segment-targeting-black-woman-guest-viral/ https://www.soapcentral.com/entertainment/news-they-re-gonna-try-demean-y-all-fresh-fit-crew-members-fight-girl-banned-podcast-host-myron-gaines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresh_and_Fit_Podcast
- Aristotle uphold: On the record: Myron's declared method throughout the debate is to answer women's individual complaints with unsupported generalizations rather than engaging the specific testimony; here the generalization is aimed personally and evidence-free at Kimberly herself ("I guarantee"), which is a tu quoque deflection of her disrespect charge rather than a rebuttal of its substance, consistent with rather than a departure from his overall approach. Kimberly's complaint is that the man's conduct (giving attention to other women while she was talking to him) was disrespectful; Myron's answer at 102:35 does not address whether that conduct was disrespectful, but instead deflects with an unevidenced accusation that she was doing the identical thing ("I guarantee you were talking to other dudes too"). This is the tu quoque pattern exactly: the charge is met not with a reason why the conduct wasn't disrespectful but with a bare "you do it too," offered as if it settled the matter, with zero evidence for the accusation (test 3) and standing in for engagement with her specific complaint at that moment (test 1).
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "tu quoque". Kimberly's complaint is that a specific man's talking to other women felt disrespectful given the chance she gave him; Myron answers not by addressing whether that conduct was disrespectful but by asserting, with no basis ("I guarantee"), that she does the same thing — deflecting the charge by claiming hypocrisy in the accuser rather than engaging the claim itself.
- Plato uphold: On the record: Myron's declared framework throughout is arguing from "facts" while treating women's complaints as inconsistent or hypocritical; here that framework is applied via an unevidenced tu quoque rather than a defense of the man's conduct on its merits, consistent with (not a departure from) his running style of deflecting objections rather than meeting them directly. Kimberly's complaint was that the guy's shifting attention to other women after she'd engaged him felt disrespectful; rather than defending why that conduct isn't disrespectful, Myron deflects with an unevidenced "I guarantee you were talking to other dudes too," treating her own presumed conduct as canceling out the charge instead of answering it. This is a clean tu quoque: an unproven "you do it too" standing in for engagement with the point on the table.
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