Appeal: clarification
From HEATED Debate w/ Feminists. Wage Gap, Pro Choice ft. @MikeRashidOfficial.
- #20081:44:32upheld Penelope epainos: clarification (+1)
The council upheld the call: Penelope earned 1 point.
“How do you know these stats?”
Diogenes: Penelope puts the burden of proof back on Myron and asks where his statistics come from before accepting them. His reply, "I'll give you the studies after... This is all facts", is the second time he has put off producing sources (see 56:41).- Aristotle uphold: On the record: Penelope's position throughout this stretch has been to challenge Myron's "balance of probabilities" statistics rather than accept them outright (as with her later "where's the proof exactly?"); asking "How do you know these stats?" is a direct continuation of that stance, not a departure from it. This is a straightforward request for the source behind an asserted statistic before accepting it, of the same kind as the adjacent 105:33 exchange already upheld as clarification in this same debate; Myron's own reply ("I'll give you the studies after") confirms no sourcing was yet on the table to assume.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "clarification". Rather than accepting Myron's bare claim about the percentage of men having sex with women, Penelope stops to ask where the figure comes from before engaging with it further, the same kind of evidentiary pushback later credited to Isla at 105:33 and 112:32.
- Plato uphold: On the record: Penelope's position through this stretch of the debate has been to resist Myron's sweeping "fact"-based claims by demanding their basis rather than accepting them outright (paralleling her earlier resistance on the thirteen-year-friend and wage-gap exchanges), and this line continues that same pattern rather than departing from it. Penelope declines to take Myron's "100% of single men" sex-stat claim at face value and instead asks for its epistemic basis before engaging further — the same posture Isla and others take toward his unnamed-study claims elsewhere in the debate — and Myron's answer ("I'll give you the studies after... this is all facts") again defers sourcing, echoing his identical deferral at 56:41, which supports treating her question as a genuine, unmet request for grounding rather than an assumed premise.
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