Appeal: clarification
From HEATED Debate w/ Feminists. Wage Gap, Pro Choice ft. @MikeRashidOfficial.
- #20161:52:32upheld Isla epainos: clarification (+1)
The council upheld the call: Isla earned 1 point.
“Are we talking about, like, men don't care for when it comes to just sex or men don't care when it comes to also selecting women when they're dating?”
Diogenes: Before disagreeing, Isla asks Myron whether his claim that "men don't care about a woman's career" is about sexual selection or about choosing a partner. He answers that it covers relationships, which gives her a precise claim to rebut.- Aristotle uphold: On the record: Isla's approach throughout the debate has been to press for precise, checkable claims from Myron before countering them (e.g., pressing for stats sources, methodological questions); this clarification request continues that same pattern. Before rebutting Myron's claim that "men don't care about a woman's career/provisioning ability," Isla asks him to specify whether this applies to sexual selection alone or to dating/relationship selection generally — a genuine request for scope clarification rather than an assumption, and Myron's answer (that it covers dating relationships too) gives her a precise target to then contest with counterexamples.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "clarification". Before responding to Myron's claim that "men don't care about a woman's career," Isla asks him to specify whether he means casual sexual selection or selection for serious dating/marriage — two different claims that call for different answers — rather than assuming which one he intends and arguing against a guess.
- Plato uphold: On the record: Isla has consistently pressed Myron for precision and grounding before disagreeing throughout this stretch of the debate (e.g., the 105:33 methodology question); this line continues that same pattern rather than departing from it. Before rebutting Myron's claim that "men don't care about a woman's career," Isla asks him to specify whether he means indifference for the purposes of casual sex or indifference for long-term partner selection — a genuine request for scope/definition rather than an assumption, and it produces a clearer claim (he answers "even within a relationship") for her to then contest.
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