Appeal: explicit argument
From HEATED Debate w/ Feminists. Wage Gap, Pro Choice ft. @MikeRashidOfficial.
- #20292:01:01upheld Myron Gaines epainos: explicit argument (+1)
The council upheld the call: Myron Gaines earned 1 point.
“… if I was to impregnate you and I wanted the kid and you said, I'm not having a kid, you can abort the kid but it doesn't work the other way around. So you're responsible, okay?”
Diogenes: Myron answers the "co-choice" objection with a stated argument: only the woman has the final decision over birth, and responsibility follows decision-making authority, so the outcome is hers. The premises and conclusion are laid out and can be tested.- Aristotle uphold: On the record: Myron's declared and consistently held position throughout this segment is his "pro-choice, pro-responsibility" thesis, that decision-making authority over pregnancy entails responsibility for the outcome; this line is a straightforward, plainly-structured statement of that same thesis, not a departure from it. The quote is verified accurate and does lay out a plain premise (only the woman has the power to decide whether a pregnancy proceeds; the man has no comparable veto) and a conclusion drawn from it (therefore she bears the responsibility). Whether the argument is sound is a separate question from whether it is explicit; the label only requires premises and conclusion stated plainly, which this line does.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "explicit argument". Myron states a clear premise-to-conclusion structure: the woman alone has legal authority to end or continue a pregnancy after conception (illustrated by the asymmetric hypothetical: he could not compel an abortion, but she could refuse to have one against his wishes), and from that asymmetry of authority he draws the conclusion that responsibility for the outcome falls on the one who holds that authority. The premises and conclusion are stated plainly enough that Isla and Penelope are able to engage it directly in the following exchange (e.g. "how did the semen get in there?"), which is the mark of a real argument put on the table rather than a dodge or bare assertion.
- Plato uphold: On the record: Myron's declared framework throughout is to argue from stated premises to a conclusion rather than bare feeling ("we argue in facts"), and this line — asymmetric decision-control over pregnancy as premise, responsibility-follows-authority as conclusion — is a clean instance of that same explicit-argument pattern already credited to him (107:40) and to Isla and Penelope elsewhere in this debate (91:39, 109:27) regardless of whether the underlying premise is contested. The quote is verified accurate and plainly states a premise (the woman alone controls whether the pregnancy proceeds) and a conclusion (therefore she bears the responsibility) — exactly what "explicit argument" requires. Whether the premise is true or the conclusion sound is a separate question from whether the argument was laid out plainly, and it was.
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