Appeal: false claim
From HEATED Debate w/ Feminists. Wage Gap, Pro Choice ft. @MikeRashidOfficial.
- #20782:21:16upheld Myron Gaines claim: false claim (+1)
The council upheld the finding: Myron Gaines gave away 1 point on Alētheia, the tally of checked facts.
The claim, as Thucydides noted it: Women are far more likely to be hired than men nowadays because of affirmative action, including in male-dominated fields like the military and law enforcement.
Diogenes: Thucydides (verifier): unsupported. No source was named for the claim that women are "far more likely" to be hired than men generally, or "three times as likely" in police departments and the military specifically. The actual data show the opposite scale: as of 2021-2022 only about 10.8-12.6% of federal and full-time law enforcement hires/officers were women, and the military bars quotas outright, relying instead on building an eligible applicant pool. Scholarly work on court-ordered affirmative action in policing (1981-91 data) found it raised the female share of accepted applicants only from about 14% to 21%, still leaving women under 10% of all officers by the late 1980s, so the claim of a sweeping hiring advantage for women in these fields is unsupported by the empirical record.- Aristotle uphold: On the record: Myron's declared method throughout is to present sweeping, unsourced statistical claims as settled fact (already found unsupported repeatedly, e.g., 32:29, 87:46, 107:05, 123:47); this line continues that same pattern of unsupported magnitude claims. No source is named in the debate, and the nearest available empirical record (affirmative-action hiring studies and workforce composition data) shows only modest gains in female hiring rates, far short of the "far more likely"/"three times as likely" scale Myron asserts, so the claim as stated is unsupported.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "appeal to authority", on the same ledger as the callout. Myron delivers a suspiciously precise statistic — women applying to police departments are "three times as likely to get the job" — with the trappings of a real finding but no named study, survey, or source, the same pattern already flagged at 148:14 ("80%") and throughout this debate (32:29, 51:48, 87:20, 87:46, 107:17): a specific-sounding number offered to settle the point without anything checkable behind it.
- Plato uphold: On the record: Myron's declared framework throughout is to assert sweeping "facts" as settled without naming a source, a pattern already found unsupported at several other points in this debate; this claim about women being "far more likely" and "three times as likely" to be hired in male-dominated fields like law enforcement and the military follows that same pattern. No source was named at the point of utterance, and the verifier's cited data show the opposite scale from what was claimed — women remain a small minority of hires and officers in law enforcement even under affirmative-action-style programs, and the military does not operate on hiring quotas at all — so the "far more likely"/"three times as likely" framing is unsupported by the empirical record, and nothing in the transcript shows Myron correcting or qualifying it.
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