Appeal: loaded question
From HEATED Debate w/ Feminists. Wage Gap, Pro Choice ft. @MikeRashidOfficial.
- #20822:07:15upheld Fresh psogos: loaded question (+1)
The council upheld the call: Fresh gave away 1 point.
“No, I just asked you, can I make you do something with your body? You just said no. So who choices it at the end of day?”
Diogenes: Read blind, without being shown any call on this passage. Fresh's question folds two separate questions into one: whether the man can physically override the woman's post-conception bodily decision (obviously no), and who bears responsibility for the pregnancy occurring at all (a joint act, as Isla and Penelope had just been arguing). By getting "no" to the first and immediately pivoting to "so who chooses it at the end of the day?", he smuggles the sole-responsibility conclusion into the question's wording rather than arguing for it; Isla's refusal to take the bait ("Both of you") is the sound response to a trap question, not a dodge.- Aristotle uphold: On the record: Fresh's declared position throughout the debate is co-host and enforcer of Myron's red-pill framework, including on the abortion exchange where he backs Myron's "pro-choice, pro-responsibility" thesis that sole reproductive authority entails sole responsibility; this quoted line executes that thesis via a compound question rather than departing from his prior stance. The line folds a narrow physical-coercion question (which gets a trivial "no") together with the contested question of who bears responsibility for conception, and pivots the "no" into "so who chooses it" as though it settled the disputed point; this is the classic loaded-question move of making several questions into one and smuggling a conclusion into the wording. Isla's actual reply, "Both of you," refuses the trap rather than conceding it, which is the sound response the rubric describes, confirming the question was loaded rather than fairly put.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "loaded question". Fresh's question fuses two distinct issues into one forced yes/no: whether a man can physically override a woman's post-conception decision (trivially no), and whether her exclusive authority over that decision means she alone is responsible for the pregnancy's existence and consequences — the very point Isla and Penelope have been disputing by stressing the man's role in the act of conception itself (condom use, ejaculation). Answering the compound question straight, as posed, would concede the larger claim in its wording; tellingly, Isla declines the trap and answers "Both of you," which is the accurate response to the real question of responsibility rather than to the narrower bodily-autonomy question Fresh actually asked.
- Plato uphold: On the record: Fresh's position of record since early in the debate — "after conception the decision is ultimately the woman's" — is continued and pressed here, but pressed via a compound question that folds a trivial concession (no bodily override) into a much larger claim (sole responsibility); the manner of arguing, not the position itself, is what earns the fault. The quote is verified: Fresh gets a "no" to the narrow physical-coercion question ("can I make you do something with your body?") and then pivots immediately to the much broader question "so who choices it at the end of day?" — smuggling in, via the wording, the conclusion that sole responsibility for the pregnancy tracks sole final say over the abortion decision. That is exactly Aristotle's "several questions made into one": whether the man can override her bodily autonomy post-conception, and who bears responsibility for the conception occurring at all, are different questions, and the "no" to the first is used as if it answered the second. Isla's actual reply, "Both of you," refuses the binary the question tries to force and is the sound response to a loaded question, not a dodge — the rubric's own example fits this passage closely.
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