Appeal: false claim

From Plagues, Popes & Pandemonium! OPEN DEBATE! Geopolitics, Conspiracy, Theology, Film! 2026-10-05 17:50.

• #22562:15:18upheld S5 claim: false claim (+1)
  The council upheld the finding, but nothing on this stream goes on anyone’s record.
  The claim, as Thucydides noted it: Statistics show that college and high school students don't read anything, that half of them can't read, and that 60% can't read.
  Diogenes: Thucydides (verifier): unsupported; the source does not bear what is drawn from it. At 135:03 S5 says "Do you remember when Cotel did the stats on... college students and high school students? ... Half of them can't even read. 60% can't read." No study is named, and the two figures contradict each other (half versus 60%). From memory, not from a page I opened, the best-known national data is NAEP, which reports about 40% of 12th graders below "basic" reading level. That means weak reading skill, not inability to read, and it says nothing about college students. The conclusion, that books matter only for his own audience, rests on a statistic no source has been shown to support.
  • Aristotle uphold: On the record: S5 is a label for Jay Dyer's voice in the transcript. He opened as host of an open forum, then moved to sponsor reads and conspiratorial, anti-establishment news commentary. The stats line fits that stance and does not depart from it. The claim is offered flatly: Cotel supposedly did stats showing that half, then 60%, of students can't read. No source is given and the two figures contradict each other. The verifier's finding holds, since the best-known data show weak reading skill, not inability to read. Nothing in the debate supports it, and the speaker did not correct it.
  • Socrates overturn: Read blind, found nothing worth calling. This is Jay's monologue answering a super chat about books. No opponent is on the floor to answer it, so the floor rule applies. The statistic is a loose factual aside, not an argument anyone contests.
  • Plato uphold: On the record: Jay Dyer opened as host of an open forum, declared Eastern Orthodoxy and presuppositional method, and has held a running pattern of polemic and offhand factual claims; the line about students unable to read is more of that and does not depart from it. The claim that half, and then 60%, of students can't read is offered with no named source, the two figures conflict, and the best-known data (NAEP) shows weak reading skill rather than inability to read. The verifier's finding holds, and the claim was left standing.

  The bench voted on this, and its verdict is kept as it was given. It does not vote on the calls of a call-in show now, and nothing there counts on anybody’s record.

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