Appeal: distinguo

From Plagues, Popes & Pandemonium! OPEN DEBATE! Geopolitics, Conspiracy, Theology, Film! 2026-10-05 17:50.

• #22612:24:46overturned Jay Dyer against Trap agonisma: distinguo (+2)
  The council overturned the call, so no points were earned.
  “It's the theology behind it, not the word. You can have the right word. I mean, I... What if I say, I believe there's one god. Do we have the same position because we believe in one god? But when I say, but my god is Satan.”
  Diogenes: Trap's implicit premise was that confessing the same words ("Trinity", "one God") means worshipping the same God; Jay split the term into the shared word and the theology behind it, and Trap granted the distinction ("you're right... It's not the same") before moving to test whether it applies to Protestants.
  • Aristotle uphold: On the record: Jay Dyer opened as host of an open forum and has held a presuppositionalist Orthodox stance, that rival systems carry different governing assumptions and so differ in substance; the called line, that sameness of word does not mean sameness of God, fits that stance and does not depart from it. Trap's premise was that the shared words ("one God", "Trinity") mean the same God is worshipped. Jay split the word from the theology behind it, using the "my god is Satan" example, and Trap granted it ("You're right... It's not the same"). That is a distinction that dissolves the point, and Trap conceded it, so a decisive move happened. Trap then moved to test whether the distinction applies to Protestants, which does not undo it.
  • Socrates overturn: Read blind, found nothing worth calling. Jay answers Trap's "do we agree on one God in three persons?" with an illustration that shared words do not show shared doctrine. The Satan example is deliberately extreme, but it only makes that point and does not equate Protestants with Satan-worshippers. The charge that the Protestant Trinity is wrong was made earlier, so this line is a clarification and not a fresh fault.
  • Plato uphold: On the record: Jay Dyer opened as host of an open forum, declared Eastern Orthodoxy and a presuppositionalist method, and has held that doctrine is read through governing first principles; the called line, that the same word can carry different theology, fits that and does not depart from it. Trap implicitly treated shared words ("one God", "Trinity") as showing the same God. Jay split the word from the theology behind it, using the "my god is Satan" example. Trap conceded "you're right... It's not the same". That is a genuine distinguo that landed. Trap then moved on to test whether the distinction applies to Protestants, so the point was dissolved but the exchange continued.
  • Thesmothetes overturn: By the rule: an element of the label is missing from the record. A distinguo has to dissolve the point by splitting an equivocal term. Trap granted only the general principle that the same word can carry different theology ("You're right... It's not the same"). He then pressed whether Protestants actually believe in a different God, and Jay had to argue that separately by citing penal substitution and the filioque. The question Trap actually put was untouched by the Satan example, so no decisive blow landed. Whether this counts as a duel is a close call, and close calls are overturned.

  The bench voted on this, and its verdict is kept as it was given. It does not vote on the calls of a call-in show now, and nothing there counts on anybody’s record.

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