Appeal: evidence
From DEBATE: Jay Dyer Vs Pastor Jonathan Shelley | Tradition Vs Sola Scriptura.
- #23202:11:10upheld Jay Dyer epainos: evidence (+2)
The council upheld the call: Jay Dyer earned 2 points.
“Baruch is listed right here as part of the scripture in his thirty ninth festival [festal] letter.” quote corrected
Diogenes: Against Shelley's use of Athanasius, Jay cites a specific checkable source, the 39th Festal Letter, which lists Baruch among the Old Testament books. That shows Athanasius's Old Testament list differs from the 66-book Protestant list, and it answers Shelley's reading of him on the Old Testament.major: It is a specific, checkable document and passage that bears directly on whether Athanasius supports the Protestant canon, which Shelley then disclaimed relying on.
- Aristarchus (transcript) corrected: "festival" should be "festal", since the minutes show he is reading Athanasius's list, which comes from his 39th Festal Letter.
- Aristotle uphold: On the record: Dyer opened by arguing that Scripture itself points beyond the written text to oral tradition and that Shelley has no basis for the Protestant canon. He has held both throughout, and this line, which cites a specific festal letter against Shelley's use of Athanasius, does not depart from either. The claim is checkable, because the 39th Festal Letter is cited with enough reference to find it. It is kept distinct from the claim, since Dyer reads from the letter on screen. The verifier confirmed that Baruch is listed with Jeremiah, which is outside the 66-book canon. That answers Shelley's appeal to Athanasius for his own canon. Dyer's broader claim about the whole deuterocanon is weaker, but this line makes only the Baruch point.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "evidence". Shelley cited Athanasius as having his canon. Jay answers with a specific, checkable text: Baruch appears with Jeremiah in the canon list of Athanasius's 39th Festal Letter. He offers it as support, separate from the claim, and it matches the letter. He then draws the point that Athanasius does not prove Shelley's Protestant canon, and he locates the passage (paragraph four) a minute later.
- Plato uphold: On the record: Dyer declared at the opening that Scripture points beyond itself to oral tradition and that Shelley has no basis for the Protestant canon, and he has pressed that canon challenge throughout; citing the 39th Festal Letter's listing of Baruch fits that line and does not depart from it. Dyer names a specific, checkable source, Athanasius's 39th Festal Letter. The verifier confirms it lists Baruch with Jeremiah, which the 66-book canon excludes. That answers Shelley's appeal to Athanasius for his own canon. The broader claim about the whole deuterocanon is shakier, but the quoted line is only the Baruch point, and it stands.
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