Appeal: evidence
From DEBATE: Jay Dyer Vs Pastor Jonathan Shelley | Tradition Vs Sola Scriptura.
- #23319:59upheld Jay Dyer epainos: evidence (+2)
The council upheld the call: Jay Dyer earned 2 points.
“Paul says, for this reason, we thank God without ceasing because you received the word of God which you heard from us.”
Diogenes: For the claim that apostolic oral preaching is itself the word of God, he cites 1 Thessalonians 2 together with 2 Thessalonians 2:15 and 2 Timothy 1:13, all texts Jonathan accepts and that can be checked.major: The texts are specific, kept distinct from the claim, and carry the core of his case against sola scriptura.
- Aristotle uphold: On the record: Dyer opened by declaring that Scripture itself points beyond the written text to oral tradition as the word of God, and that the Word is a divine person. He has held this throughout, and the called line is a checkable citation in support of that claim, not a departure from it. He cites 1 Thess 2:13 (with 2 Thess 2:15 and 2 Tim 1:13) for the claim that apostolic preaching is the word of God. The texts are shared by both sides and the verifier confirmed them. The reference is findable and kept separate from the claim, so this is evidence. It is a text cited, not a mechanism shown with record behind it, so I would score it minor, not major.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "evidence". Jay cites 1 Thessalonians 2:13 (named as "first Thessalonians two") for his claim that the apostles' oral teaching was the word of God. The text is checkable, quoted accurately, and kept distinct from the claim. It supports a reason: Paul calls what the Thessalonians "heard from us" the word of God. Shelley later contests the reading, but the citation is sound evidence.
- Plato uphold: On the record: Dyer declared at the opening that Scripture itself points beyond the written text to oral tradition as the word of God, and he has held that throughout; this line cites 1 Thessalonians 2:13 in support of that position and does not depart from it. The claim is that apostolic oral preaching is itself the word of God. He cites 1 Thess 2:13, a checkable text with a verse reference, and keeps it distinct from the claim. He pairs it with 2 Thess 2:15 and 2 Tim 1:13. The verifier confirmed the compression is fair and the verse says what he reports. Whether this defeats sola scriptura is disputed, but the citation is real and bears the claim. Because it is a mechanism shown with several texts both sides accept, it counts as evidence, major.
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