Appeal: non sequitur
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- #261053:31overturned a speaker not yet confirmed psogos: non sequitur (+2)
The council overturned the call, so no points were given away.
“So doesn't that kind of prove my point…”
Diogenes: Filed again from #2609, overturned as "hasty generalisation": Aristotle and Plato named it "non sequitur". On the record: S20 declared nothing at the opening; he joined late and has held that women are illogical and cannot substantiate claims. The called line extends his claim that most men struggle to get women, and it fits the same pattern. The line is a rhetorical question: women reject most men who approach them, so most men struggle. That is a weak inference from a few answers, but its structure is not a generalisation about a group drawn from named cases. It is an inference about male success from female selectivity. The elements are at best a toss-up, so the call is overturned. If any label fits, it is non sequitur.Herodotus (partly): The site has no records beyond this debate, and I ran no web search because the speakers are unnamed (S20 is not on the board). The opening gives no S20 statement, since S1 is the speaker there. In the surrounding transcript, S20 does argue that most men struggle to get women. He then asks the women whether they reject most men who approach them, and they say yes. The called line, "doesn't that kind of prove my point", follows from those answers. It is a weak inference, because women rejecting most approaches does not show that most men struggle. Even so, the pattern the referee describes (a loose leap from a few answers to a general claim) matches what is in this stretch of the record. The label fits only in part. I found nothing outside this debate, so the council has no further history to weigh.
- Aristotle overturn: On the record: S20 declared nothing at the opening; he joined late and has held that women are illogical, cannot substantiate claims, and that most men struggle to attract women. The called line applies that same claim to the answers just given and does not depart from it. S20 asked whether women give their number or sleep with most men who approach them. They said no. He concluded: "So doesn't that kind of prove my point". The inference is loose, since women's selectivity does not strictly show that most men struggle. But the link is not absent: if most approaches are refused, many men fail. The conclusion follows weakly from those premises, not wholly without them. It is a toss-up whether the elements are met, so the call is overturned.
- Socrates overturn: Read blind, found nothing worth calling. S20 asks the woman two questions, then draws his point from her own answers. She says she declines most men who approach her, so most men fail with her. That is a loose inference from one witness, and he hedges it with "kind of" and puts it as a question. It does not meet the elements of any fault on the rubric, so I call nothing.
- Plato overturn: On the record: S20 declared no thesis at the opening (S1 spoke there); he joined later and has held that women are illogical and cannot substantiate claims, and the called line is a rhetorical extension of his claim that most men struggle to get women, not a departure from it. The inference is weak: women rejecting most approaches does not show most men struggle. But it is at best loosely connected, not a conclusion that fails with no missing premise. It is plausibly read as an argument with the unstated premise that selective women leave most men unchosen. That makes the non sequitur elements a toss-up, and a toss-up means overturn.
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