Appeal: false cause
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- #26161:11:06upheld a speaker not yet confirmed psogos: false cause (+1) tempered from major to minor
The council upheld the call: a speaker not yet confirmed gave away 1 point.
“… why guys struggle to find girls today because they're combative, they don't listen, think it's like 65% of men under the age of thirty are single. This is why…”
Diogenes: He cites a rough figure for singleness among young men (hedged as "think it's like") and declares women's combativeness to be its cause, with no evidence that one produces the other and no alternatives considered, then relies on it with "This is a product of that."minor: The causal claim carries his conclusion that women should be more submissive, and it is stated as settled on the strength of one loose statistic.
The bench graded it minor (Aristotle, Plato); the referee had major.
- Aristotle uphold: On the record: S30 declared nothing at the opening; the lines around 70:40–71:30 are in the same turn as S22 (the record's S1), who held that women should be submissive and less combative, and the called line repeats that view rather than departing from it. The elements are present. A causal claim is made: men struggle to find girls "because they're combative, they don't listen". The only support is a hedged figure ("think it's like 65%") that men under thirty are single, and the speaker adds "This is a product of that." Nothing links the figure to women's combativeness, and no other causes are considered. Correlation or sequence is the only basis offered, so false cause fits.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "false cause". The speaker cites a statistic about single men and concludes that women's combativeness and not listening is the cause ("This is why"). Nothing else is offered for the cause. The speaker himself says "think it's like", and the table had just covered other possible reasons, such as how many men women reject. The figure shows only that many men are single, so the causal claim rests on that correlation alone.
- Plato uphold: On the record: S30 declared nothing at the opening, where S1 spoke. The voice at 70:40-71:13 continues the men's-side line that women should listen, be submissive and be less combative, and this line states that line's causal claim, so it does not depart from it. The speaker claims women's combativeness and not listening is why guys struggle to find girls. He backs it only with a hedged figure that 65% of men under thirty are single, then says "This is a product of that." Nothing connects the figure to the cause, and he considers no alternatives, so the claim rests on correlation alone. The elements of false cause are met: a causal claim, sequence or correlation only, and nothing more offered.
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