Appeal: homologia
From FULL SAVAGE DEBATE: Jay Dyer Vs Indiana Brunner: Protestant Bible Wrong???.
- #60244:20upheld Jay Dyer against Indiana Brunner agonisma: homologia (+1)
The council upheld the call: Jay Dyer earned 1.2 points.
“… apostolic authorship is very important for inclusion into the canon. And Matthew's gospel doesn't tell you that Matthew the disciple wrote it. So guess where you get that knowledge from?”
Diogenes: Brunner answers "Tradition", conceding that a fact he needs for the canon comes from outside the text, which is the pressure point on his sola scriptura framework.- Aristotle uphold: On the record: S1's opening and standing method is sola scriptura, doctrine resting on explicit apostolic teaching rather than assumed tradition; moments before this exchange he had already granted that recognition of scripture's infallibility "does not require possession of infallibility" and rests on a fallible historical process, so his one-word answer "Tradition" here is a direct, undeflected concession on the specific question asked, not a reversal disguised as something else. The transcript confirms the exchange verbatim: Dyer asks directly where the knowledge of Matthean authorship comes from, and Brunner answers plainly "Tradition," granting outright that a fact load-bearing for his canon rests on extra-scriptural tradition rather than the text or an explicit apostolic formula; this is a genuine forced concession on the specific point pressed, landing on Brunner within his own framework.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "explicit argument", on the same ledger as the callout. Dyer lays out a plain premise-to-conclusion case: apostolic authorship matters for canonicity, Matthew's gospel is internally anonymous about its author, so the knowledge that the disciple Matthew wrote it must come from somewhere outside the text itself. This is a genuine epistemological challenge to sola scriptura's sufficiency, not a bare assertion, and it sets up the tradition-dependency point Brunner then concedes ("Tell me. Tradition").
- Plato uphold: On the record: S1's declared framework is sola scriptura with doctrine resting on explicit apostolic teaching; pressed on how Matthean authorship is known, he departs from asserting a purely textual/scriptural basis and explicitly answers "Tradition," a genuine concession that a fact his own framework needs comes from outside scripture. The transcript confirms Brunner's direct one-word concession "Tradition" in answer to Jay's pointed question, which Jay immediately underscores ("So you're relying on tradition"); this is a genuine forced concession bearing on the tension between Brunner's sola scriptura framework and his reliance on extra-scriptural authorship tradition, fitting homologia.
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