Appeal: direct answer
From FULL SAVAGE DEBATE: Jay Dyer Vs Indiana Brunner: Protestant Bible Wrong???.
- #61254:56upheld Jay Dyer epainos: direct answer (+2)
The council upheld the call: Jay Dyer earned 2 points.
“I would say divine revelation is infallible, but I don't believe that divine revelation is restricted to written texts, and you do.”
Diogenes: He answers the infallibility challenge by naming exactly where the two frameworks part, rather than claiming his own list is beyond question.- Aristotle uphold: On the record: This is consistent with S0's declared Orthodox framework from the opening (uncreated energies and revelation manifest beyond written text) and is a direct elaboration of it in response to the challenge, not a new or evasive position. Rather than simply refusing to engage with S1's infallibility question, S0 explains what is actually at stake: he does not claim that a bare "list of men" is infallible in some free-floating way, but that divine revelation itself is infallible and, unlike S1's framework, is not confined to written texts - so the councils and succession transmit rather than independently generate infallible content. That pinpoints exactly the fault line between the two positions (sola scriptura's restriction of revelation to text vs. the Orthodox view that oral/traditional revelation also counts), which is a substantive engagement with the question's intent rather than a refusal.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "direct answer". Answering Brunner's question about whether the succession list is infallible, Dyer clarifies his actual position: divine revelation itself is infallible, but for him it is not confined to written text the way it is for a sola scriptura Protestant, which explains why he doesn't need the council or succession list itself to carry scripture's exact status. It engages the question rather than sidestepping it, and the contrast drawn matches Brunner's own stated sola scriptura framework.
- Plato uphold: On the record: Jay's opening framework holds that scripture is read together with holy tradition rather than scripture alone; asked whether his succession list is infallible, this answer holds to that same framework by locating infallibility in divine revelation broadly, oral and written, rather than in the list of men as such, directly engaging rather than dodging the challenge. This is a substantive, on-topic answer that names the actual point of disagreement between the two frameworks, whether infallible revelation is restricted to written texts, rather than an evasion or an unsupported claim that his own authority is beyond question.
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