Appeal: evidence
From FULL SAVAGE DEBATE: Jay Dyer Vs Indiana Brunner: Protestant Bible Wrong???.
- #6171:02:32overturned Jay Dyer epainos: evidence (+1)
The council overturned the call, so no points were earned.
“… this is Lee McDonald's book where he lists the canon, from various old and new testament list from various church fathers. I recommend every protestant who's interested in this question to read Leigh MacDonald's book ... as well as f f Bruce's book, Kenna of Scripture [The Canon of Scripture], that admits from the evangelical perspective the absolutely indispensable aspect of church tradition…”
Diogenes: Immediately after the exchange he produces the named sources behind the canon-list claim he pressed on Brunner, including one from the opposing evangelical side, which is checkable rather than asserted.- Aristotle overturn: On the record: This is a continuation of S0's consistent method of citing named sources, but it occurs off the floor once his opponent was no longer present, so the callout falls outside what can be scored regardless of its substantive merit. By [58:56]-[59:05] Indiana Brunner had been removed from the call ("Did Indiana get booted? Yep"), and she never returns to the transcript. The [62:32] canon walkthrough occurs well after that, during Jay's solo presentation to the audience (with the moderator Mike only discussing Indiana's character, not the canon lists). Per the floor rule, a monologue delivered after the opponent has left, however well-reasoned, is not judged because nobody is present to answer it.
- Socrates overturn: Read blind, found nothing worth calling. By this point Brunner has left the space (confirmed by Mike: "did Indiana get booted? Yep"), so this is a solo presentation of slides with no opponent on the floor to answer or contest it; per the rule that a monologue however good or bad its reasoning is not judged when nobody is there to answer it, this scores nothing on either ledger.
- Plato overturn: On the record: Jay's declared method of citing checkable historical sources is real and consistent throughout the debate, but this specific passage falls outside the debate proper: Indiana Brunner had already been confirmed removed from the call by this point, Mike confirms did Indiana get booted, yep, well before this segment, so this extended canon-list walkthrough is a solo monologue to the audience with no opponent on the floor to answer it. The floor rule is explicit that a monologue delivered after the opponent has left is not judged, however good its reasoning, because nobody is there to answer it. Since Indiana had already left the call before this Lee McDonald presentation began, this passage cannot be scored even though it exhibits the same evidentiary method Jay used earlier while Indiana was still present.
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