Appeal: direct answer
From HEATED DEBATE: Jay Dyer Vs Jake Muslim Metaphysician | Trinity Vs Tawhid -Modern Day Debate.
- #6841:12:05upheld Jay Dyer epainos: direct answer (+1)
The council upheld the call: Jay Dyer earned 1 point.
“So you count the persons by identity and not division. Right? Correct.”
Diogenes: Under a Socratic sequence plainly being built toward a trap, he answers each question straight rather than hedging, including the concession that persons are counted by identity.- Aristotle uphold: On the record: Jay has held throughout the debate that different types of things (concrete vs. abstract, natures vs. persons) are counted differently, sometimes by identity and sometimes by division, and this direct "Correct" answer is consistent with that standing framework rather than a new commitment. Jake asked a plain yes/no question ("you count the persons by identity and not division, right?") and Jay answered it directly and plainly, satisfying the direct answer category.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "direct answer". Rather than deflecting Jake's leading cross-examination question, Jay answers plainly and consistently with his own stated framework (the persons are not separated by time or space, so they are counted by identity rather than division), directly engaging step by step even though it builds toward an uncomfortable conclusion he must later try to escape by another route.
- Plato uphold: On the record: Jay's standing framework (declared in his opening and defended throughout) was that different things are counted differently, with hypostases and attributes both counted by identity where undivided by time/space; this literal yes/no question is answered plainly with "Correct," consistent with that framework rather than a hedge or reversal. This is a straightforward direct answer to a direct yes/no question posed in cross-examination, matching Jay's consistently held position on counting method.
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