Appeal: clarification
From Debate! Pagan vs. Orthodox: Logos, Language & Metaphysics - Jay Dyer Vs CB Robertson.
- #89120:33upheld Jay Dyer epainos: clarification (+1)
The council upheld the call: Jay Dyer earned 1 point.
“I didn't hear what exactly I'll let you restate the argument if you want to objection, but it sounded like you're getting at some kind of a Yiddlethro [Euthyphro] dilemma argument…”
Diogenes: Rather than attacking a guessed-at version of the Vox Day argument, Jay names the interpretation he suspects and invites CB to restate it, then answers that interpretation on its own terms.- Aristotle uphold: On the record: Jay has held since the opening that an opponent's argument must be engaged as actually stated, not as assumed, and repeatedly demands restatement before responding; this line is a clear instance of that same practice, not a departure. Jay's declared method throughout is rigorous demand for precise argument-restatement before answering (he repeatedly asks CB to restate arguments, e.g. "restate Voxday's argument" later at 44:34). Here he explicitly flags his uncertainty about the argument's shape, offers his best guess (Euthyphro dilemma), and invites CB to correct him rather than simply asserting a rebuttal to an assumed position — this is a textbook clarification move consistent with his standing practice.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "clarification". Rather than simply asserting what CB's Vox Day argument amounts to, Dyer explicitly offers CB the chance to restate it ("I'll let you restate the argument if you want") while tentatively naming it as resembling a Euthyphro dilemma, inviting correction rather than assuming his gloss is right.
- Plato uphold: On the record: S0's consistent method is presuppositionalist: he demands his opponent's positions be stated precisely before he answers them (as with his repeated requests for CB's epistemic criteria); this line, inviting CB to restate the Vox Day argument rather than assuming its shape, is consistent with that standing practice. Jay explicitly flags uncertainty about what CB meant and offers to let CB restate it before he commits to a reading, which is a clarification request rather than an assumption, even though he goes on to address the Euthyphro-shaped version he guessed.
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