Appeal: misrepresentation
From Fr. Ananias and Jay Dyer vs Matt Slick: Orthodoxy vs Protestantism Debate.
- #256215:14upheld Fr. Ananias psogos: misrepresentation (+2)
The council upheld the call: Fr. Ananias gave away 2 points.
“You reject the councils…”
Diogenes: S3 told Slick he rejects the councils and nearly all of the early church. Slick had said no such thing, and when challenged S3 admitted he was inferring it from "five point Calvinist" ("you can hear something either explicitly or implicit").major: It is clear and it carried S3's "ahistorical" case, but Slick corrected it at once, and S3 then asked a fair follow-up about Constantinople.
- Aristotle overturn: On the record: Fr. Ananias declared at 06:02 that citing Scripture begs the question until the canon and interpretation are justified, and he has held that throughout; the line "You reject the councils" does not depart from that, but it attributes to Slick a view Slick had not stated. Misrepresentation needs the transcript to show the opponent did not say or hold what is attributed. Slick had not said he rejected the councils, and he challenged it at 15:31. But S3 framed it as an inference from Slick being a Calvinist ("you can hear something either explicitly or implicit"). Slick then conceded at 18:15 that he rejects part of Constantinople (381) on baptismal regeneration, and said he rejects Trent. So the attribution is partly borne out, and he rejects the councils' authority as binding. "Nearly all of the early church" is overstated, but the line is within the claim about Calvinism being ahistorical. It is a close call, and a close call is overturned.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "misrepresentation". Ananias says Slick rejects the councils, but Slick had not said that. He had only said he is a five-point Calvinist, and when challenged he denied rejecting the councils and said he rejects Trent. Ananias then conceded he was inferring it ("you can hear something either explicitly or implicit"), so the attribution rests on a guess and not on the record. Slick's later partial rejection of a Constantinople teaching, if it teaches baptismal regeneration, does not support the blanket claim.
- Plato uphold: On the record: Fr. Ananias declared at the opening that citing Scripture begs the question until the canon and its interpretation are justified, and he has held that framework objection throughout; the line "You reject the councils" is a charge about Slick's position, not a restatement of that objection. Slick had not said he rejected the councils. When challenged, S3 admitted he was inferring it from "five point Calvinist" and said one can hear something "explicitly or implicit". He presented the inference as Slick's view. Slick then confirmed he rejects some conciliar teaching, such as Constantinople on baptismal regeneration, and Trent. But the blanket claim that he rejects the councils was still stated as fact, and Slick denied it at once. All three elements of misrepresentation are met. It is major because the claim carried the argument that Slick's position is ahistorical.
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