Appeal: appeal to popularity
From Fr. Ananias and Jay Dyer vs Matt Slick: Orthodoxy vs Protestantism Debate.
- #25952:05:27overturned Fr. Ananias psogos: appeal to popularity (+2)
The council overturned the call, so no points were given away.
“Well, ask anybody. Everybody saw it, Matt. It was embarrassing…”
Diogenes: Challenged on his charge that Slick made "claims without any justification" the whole debate, which Slick disputed by pointing to the Scriptures he cited, Fr. Ananias answered that everyone saw it and it was embarrassing. That makes what the audience saw the reason, and S3 had earlier granted that Slick did try to justify his position.major: It is clear and replaces support for a disputed, overstated charge, but it is one line in a heated end-of-debate exchange.
- Aristotle overturn: On the record: Fr. Ananias declared at 06:02 that citing Scripture begs the question until canon and interpretation are justified, and has held that throughout; the called line is a rhetorical flourish after that charge, not a departure from the position. "Ask anybody, everybody saw it" appeals to what onlookers saw, but it is not offered as the reason the claim is true. Fr. Ananias had argued at length that Slick's justification fails, so the line is a barb attached to a standing argument. Whether the elements of appeal to popularity are met is a toss-up at best, and a toss-up means overturn.
- Socrates uphold: Read blind, found "appeal to popularity". Slick had just denied that he offered no justification and said he gave scriptures. Ananias replies that everybody saw it and it was embarrassing, which is an appeal to what onlookers think. No reason is given that can be weighed, so the point is left unanswered. It is a mild, offhand instance.
- Plato overturn: On the record: Fr. Ananias declared at the opening that citing Scripture begs the question until the canon and its interpretation are justified, and he has held that framework objection throughout; the called line is a rhetorical flourish that restates his charge and does not depart from it. "Everybody saw it, Matt. It was embarrassing" is an appeal to the audience's impression, but the reasons for the charge are already on the record. S3 had argued at length that Slick offered no justification for the canon or his interpretation, and Slick's reply (pointing to Scripture) is exactly what S3 said does not answer the question. The line is a rhetorical flourish on top of that argument. It does not offer popularity as the reason the claim is true, so the elements of appeal to popularity are not shown. At best it is a toss-up, which means overturn.
- Thesmothetes overturn: By the rule: an element of the label is missing from the record. "Ask anybody. Everybody saw it" is an offhand flourish on a charge Fr. Ananias had argued since 06:02: that citing Scripture without justifying the canon and its interpretation begs the question. The record does not show him offering the audience's view as the reason the charge is true, so the element "offered as the reason it is true" is missing.
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