Elenchus

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eh-LENG-kus /əˈlɛŋkəs/. The cross-examination that catches a contradiction. Socrates made it a method. Paul brought it to this rock.

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PersonPhilosopherSophistNetSoundnessSageStandingPoints per hourDebates
VanessaVanessa is a 22-year-old artist and model from Maryland who now focuses mainly on modeling. 1 Philosopher, 0 Sophist, unranked Style speaks rarely; restates the host's claim and asks him to justify it Measured speaks in short bursts: 109 turns averaging 2.1 seconds, longest 8 seconds, across 1 debate Best at: clarification (1) 1 debate (Neos): HEATED Debate w/ Feminists. Wage Gap, Pro Choice ft. @MikeRashidOfficial The whole record Vanessa10+1—1Unranked—1 debate Neos
Base Catholic Religio (Worldview) Roman Catholic (Catholic Thomist) 1 Philosopher, 2 Sophist, unranked Argues by follows Garrigou-Lagrange's position on the filioque Style keeps asking to be allowed to present his one prepared argument, offers to grant his opponent's paradigm so they can get back to the texts, starts his replies by addressing his opponent by name Points per hour 9.0 Philosopher, 18.0 Sophist Measured speaks in short bursts: 140 turns averaging 2.9 seconds, longest 16 seconds, across 1 debate Best at: concession (1) Caught at: begging the question (2) 1 debate (Neos): HEATED DEBATE! “jesusandwhatnot” Vs Jay Dyer! His ‘Gotcha’ Fails LOL The whole record Base Catholic12−1—5Unranked9.0 / 18.01 debate Neos
Fresh 1 Philosopher, 2 Sophist, unranked Affiliations Fresh and Fit podcast; handle "freshman CEO" Argues by Red-pill dating advice, Socratic-style yes/no questioning Style presses a single yes-or-no question until it is answered, runs the question rounds and reads super chats aloud Points per hour 3.4 Philosopher, 6.9 Sophist Measured speaks in short bursts, asks often: 427 turns averaging 2.5 seconds, longest 24 seconds, across 1 debate Best at: steelman (1) Caught at: ad hominem (1), loaded question (1) 1 debate (Neos): HEATED Debate w/ Feminists. Wage Gap, Pro Choice ft. @MikeRashidOfficial The whole record Fresh12−1—3Unranked3.4 / 6.91 debate Neos
Chris 0 Philosopher, 1 Sophist, unranked Style steps in to enforce show rules and rebuke guests for interrupting the host Measured speaks in short bursts: 114 turns averaging 2.0 seconds, longest 11 seconds, across 1 debate Caught at: appeal to popularity (1) 1 debate (Neos): HEATED Debate w/ Feminists. Wage Gap, Pro Choice ft. @MikeRashidOfficial The whole record Chris01−1—1Unranked—1 debate Neos
DG 0 Philosopher, 2 Sophist, unranked Style Dismisses the argument as word salad instead of answering it Measured speaks in short bursts: 16 turns averaging 3.1 seconds, longest 9 seconds, across 1 debate Caught at: ad hominem (1), misrepresentation (1) 1 debate (Neos): Jay Dyer vs Ryan Dawson Debate: Theism vs Anti-Theism, Christianity vs Nihilism, Relativism, Atheism The whole record DG02−2—9Unranked—1 debate Neos
Liam Religio (Worldview) Judaism (Holds that Christianity was a invention to make gentiles abandon their tradition) 0 Philosopher, 2 Sophist, unranked Style Delivers a prepared statement, issues a debate challenge, and hangs up without waiting for the reply Measured speaks in short bursts: 10 turns averaging 4.4 seconds, longest 13 seconds, across 1 debate Caught at: red herring (1) 1 debate (Neos): Jay Dyer vs Ryan Dawson Debate: Theism vs Anti-Theism, Christianity vs Nihilism, Relativism, Atheism The whole record Liam02−2—9Unranked—1 debate Neos
Sarah Mer (caller)Became a born-again Christian by studying the Bible out of an interest in linguistics and the history of language. Religio (Worldview) Eastern Orthodox (reluctant Protestant, Catholic friendly and curious) 0 Philosopher, 2 Sophist, unranked Style calls the opponent's manner pharisaical, then denies having called him a pharisee Measured speaks in short bursts: 61 turns averaging 3.0 seconds, longest 16 seconds, across 1 debate Caught at: ad hominem (1), self-contradiction (1) 1 debate (Neos): Jay Dyer vs Pastor P Debate Orthodoxy vs Protestantism, Sola Scriptura and Church History The whole record Sarah Mer (caller)02−2—13Unranked—1 debate Neos
Green Feathers Religio (Worldview) Eastern Orthodox (who holds that seeking truth leads to Jesus and that Orthodoxy is its fullness) 0 Philosopher, 3 Sophist, unranked Argues by Appeals to logos theology and logos-based creation Style Delivers long run-on testimony from personal experience of nature rather than argument Measured speaks in short bursts: 64 turns averaging 2.7 seconds, longest 8 seconds, across 1 debate Caught at: misrepresentation (1), no true Scotsman (1) 1 debate (Neos): Jay Dyer vs Ryan Dawson Debate: Theism vs Anti-Theism, Christianity vs Nihilism, Relativism, Atheism The whole record Green Feathers03−3—7Unranked—1 debate Neos
CooleyCooley, who calls himself David, is a TikTok live-stream debater from New Jersey, born in the 1980s, who argues for God with the presuppositional transcendental argument. Religio (Worldview) Other (theist who holds that logic is grounded in God's mind) 3 Philosopher, 30 Sophist, 9% soundness +1.2 sage, Demagogue Argues by presuppositionalist, Transcendental Argument for God (TAG) Style interrupts repeatedly to cut off his opponent's answers, insults opponents and narrates his own win to the live chat, keeps coming back to one demand: say where logic is and what grounds it Points per hour 5.3 Philosopher, 53.3 Sophist Measured speaks in short bursts, asks often: 683 turns averaging 3.0 seconds, longest 19 seconds, across 1 debate Best at: clarification (1), direct answer (1), explicit argument (1) Caught at: misrepresentation (7), ad hominem (6), begging the question (3) 1 debate (Neos): @deanwithrs Gets DESTROYED In Heated Debate On God Then RUNS The whole record CooleyOstrakon330−279%5Demagogue 10%5.3 / 53.31 debate Neos
Pastor PA minister of fifty years, twenty-five as a pastor and twenty-five as a missionary to the Jews, who works as a liaison between the Jewish community and the Gentile church. Religio (Worldview) Protestant (evangelical pastor/missionary to the Jews) 10 Philosopher, 32 Sophist, 23% soundness +3.2 sage, Demagogue Credentials Four years of Bible college, then five years at one seminary and two at another, Had memorised about 2,000 scriptures by the end of Bible college Affiliations Pastored a church on Staten Island and produced a 180-episode television programme Argues by verbal plenary inspiration, letting the Bible interpret itself by stringing passages together Style recites long scripture passages from memory and cites chapter and verse, answers challenges by repeatedly saying God has blessed the canon and the King James Bible, tells stories from his own ministry in answer to arguments Points per hour 10.9 Philosopher, 34.9 Sophist Measured speaks in short bursts: 953 turns averaging 3.5 seconds, longest 26 seconds, across 1 debate Best at: concession (4), direct answer (4), clarification (1) Caught at: begging the question (3), dodge (3), hasty generalisation (3) 1 debate (Neos): Jay Dyer vs Pastor P Debate Orthodoxy vs Protestantism, Sola Scriptura and Church History The whole record Pastor POstrakon1032−2223%16Demagogue 26%10.9 / 34.91 debate Neos
Men of Athens, I perceive that in every way you are very religious. For as I passed along and observed the objects of your worship, I found also an altar with this inscription: To the unknown god. What therefore you worship as unknown, this I proclaim to you. Paul, on the Areopagus. Acts 17:22–23

Palaismata (kill shots)

The throws that ended an exchange: an argument turned, a question forced, a point settled, each one upheld by the bench as decisive.

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“… if the son is not equal to the father because he doesn't spirate, then the spirit has to also spirate. But nobody teaches the the spirit spirates or generates a person. So by your own argument, you subordinated the spirit…”

— Jay DyerantistrephonThe Catholicism or Orthodoxy DEBATE: Tim… at 1:32:38

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“But you say you know how females think though. You did say that.”

— KimberlyperitropeHEATED Debate w/ Feminists. Wage Gap, Pro… at 2:59:03

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“Same thing but flips for your end. No offense. Whatever you guys have is invisible.”

— IslaperitropeHEATED Debate w/ Feminists. Wage Gap, Pro… at 2:19:05

Skōmmata (zingers)

The most quotable gibes, and each one scored on the Sophist ledger. Sharp, and beside the point.

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“I believe that God has confirmed and blessed the choice of those books.”

— Pastor Pbegging the questionJay Dyer vs Pastor P Debate Orthodoxy vs… at 44:31

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“That's you you got the mindset of a woman. Women believe in intuition.”

— Cooleyad hominem@deanwithrs Gets DESTROYED In Heated Debate… at 23:32

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“That's a p and also not p. You just contradicted yourself. That's what I said. We just didn't understand what I No. I did understand what you just said. You you just said that the laws of logic is conceptual.”

— Cooleymisrepresentation@deanwithrs Gets DESTROYED In Heated Debate… at 19:12

Stoa of fallacies (hall of fallacies)

Every fallacy the referee has caught across all debates, ranked by how often it turns up, with the worst example of each.

misrepresentation

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“Jay refuses to condemn Thomas Aquinas as a pedophile. That's shocking. I hope all the Christian listeners, especially the Protestants listening, note that these heretics, Sam and Jay, are down with pedophilia.” — Daniel Haqiqatjou
Religion Debate: Islam vs Christianity, watch at 2:40:29. All 60 instances

ad hominem

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“I don't call you, like, a basement dwelling retard that looks like you smell bad and you haven't taken a shower in a month. ... If you're gonna throw me your TV, you should take a shower, retard.” — Austin Peterson
Debate MELTDOWN: Worst Opponent Yet: Austin…, watch at 1:13:28. All 49 instances

straw man

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“I don't care about your definition of power.” — Jake the Muslim Metaphysician
HEATED DEBATE: Jay Dyer Vs Jake Muslim…, watch at 1:27:50. All 24 instances

dodge

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“No. I don't. Because I think that shit's boring, bro.” — Austin Peterson
Debate MELTDOWN: Worst Opponent Yet: Austin…, watch at 57:36. All 17 instances

self-contradiction

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“I can't [can] be arbitrary when I wanna be arbitrary. I can't [can do] whatever the fuck. ... It's not a it's not a hard debate format, so I can do whatever I want.” — Austin Peterson
Debate MELTDOWN: Worst Opponent Yet: Austin…, watch at 1:00:26. All 16 instances

begging the question

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“I believe that God has confirmed and blessed the choice of those books.” — Pastor P
Jay Dyer vs Pastor P Debate Orthodoxy vs…, watch at 44:31. All 14 instances

hasty generalisation

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“… every Protestant does this gnostic anti matter [anti-material] reading into these texts. I know I used to be a Protestant.” — Jay Dyer
FULL SAVAGE DEBATE: Jay Dyer Vs Indiana…, watch at 33:47. All 11 instances

non sequitur

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“That's not my position. When did I ever say that I'm an empiricist? Well, if you're a nominalist, you're an empiricist.” — Jay Dyer
HEATED DEBATE: Jay Dyer Vs Jake Muslim…, watch at 1:15:41. All 10 instances

Recently judged All the agōnes

Bill: So-crates. The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
Ted: That's us, dude.
Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure, 1989